Project: "Rigor Mortis"

[4.3LXJ]

:D:bacondance:

[Pookapotamus]

Took Mort for a great drive yesterday, all through the Rockies on back roads, saw tons of wildlife, awesome views, me and the wife had a great time.

But Mort did not, this morning he was leaking rear diff fluid, more than usual, and the tranny is making tones of noise! I think the input shaft bearing in the flywheel finally decided to give in.

Need to do some fixin now! 😒

[4.3LXJ]

I hear ya. Mine needs a few repairs too after the last outing

[bRIBEGuy]

At least Mort drives! ;)

[Pookapotamus]

At least Mort drives! ;)


Yours would drive too if you painted it yello!

[Pookapotamus]

Well looks like mort is going to get towed home again, puking oil out of the dipstick and any where else he can again, threw a engine code too, havent looked it up yet.

if those rings are cooked into the piston groves again what am I doing wrong???

Confused pookapotamus

[4.3LXJ]

Got any timing issues Dana?

[Pookapotamus]

Not that I'm aware of, I have been thinking, if it's running rich, it could produce more carbon and gum shit up.

[4.3LXJ]

Well then, the first thing I would check then is the elbows in the top of the valve cover to see if they are clogged up. That happens easily on the 4.0

[Pookapotamus]

Well Mort is Back in his lair, will start diagnosing him tomorrow after work.
:banghead:

[4.3LXJ]

All this talk of 6 wheels, he is just forcing the hand :D

[Pookapotamus]

Absolutely zero compression on number 1, all others are 175

[Pookapotamus]

And here is why!!http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/18/313e75da0f44f70ba5a948c46ce1c9fd.jpg

[Pookapotamus]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/18/cb22f873da09335b3ba43eb6c8e55064.jpg
I can see my oil ring!!!!!
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/18/5704613195cb33cf551a0e13f523a523.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

Did you suck something down there, or is that just a lousy casting?

[Pookapotamus]

I think, that the upper ring broke, which broke the top of the piston, it looks like a piece of ring bounced around inside the chamber, if you look at the pass side of the piston there is an indentation, looks like a ring mark. Why this happened I have no idea! Never heard anything.

At least I'm lucky, not even a mark on the head or valves! Slight marks on the cylinder wall but should hone out nicely.

[bluedragon436]

Ouch, man that sucks to see... Hopefully that will clean up nicely and not too expensively..

[4.3LXJ]

Man, you have had so much bad luck with the rebuilds

[Pookapotamus]

Yes is should clean up nicely, going to pull the motor, pull the tranny, maybe go roller rockers, possibly do the new voodoo cam, other upgrades while I'm in there.

[Pookapotamus]

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Ready to pull the motor. Been researching cams, comp cams says it is computer controlled compatible, does this really make a difference, it's not like the xj comp can do much? If I am degreeing the cam should that not be enough? What's the difference??? Anyone know?

[Pookapotamus]

Also found a oil filter relocation kit that uses 2 PH8A's

[4.3LXJ]

Degreeing the cam adjusts the torque curve. In a car like my 05 Subaru, the ECm adjusts it to make the torque curve almost flat. IIRC, retarding it makes more low end, advancing it makes more top end. You might want to check with Tony. I think the cam he had so much trouble with was a Comp Cam

[xj-jake]

Bummer to see Mort down but I'm sure it'll come back better than ever. I love your Jeep. Time to slap a 4BT in there...

[Mudderoy]

Crane cam :(

[Pookapotamus]

Jake, yes the 4BT would be cool, but I dont know much about diesel, thats why I chose the stroker, I can fake my way to fixing it!

Well I contacted Lunati, Gave the tech Morts' specs and what I use him for, and he confirmed that the cam I was looking at (10680701LK) will work even though it is not comuter compatible and in fact is the cam he would recomend for Mort.

Hello Summit Racing? ya its me Pook again, you guys need a good kidney??

[4.3LXJ]

I don't think you would like the 4BT. Way too loud for a unibody rig. You can hear the a mile off

[Pookapotamus]

well it looks like I might fix up and sell the short block that I have in Mort now, then buy a buddys 4.0L that he has for $75, order some forged pistons and build a long rod stroker for Mort, would just have to find a 258 crank

[4.3LXJ]

And so it begins :D

You do reallize this is cutting into 6X6 money?

[Pookapotamus]

Yes i do Steve, trying to find out the going rate to bore a block

[4.3LXJ]

It has been awhile since I have had one bored, but that is in my future as well. The Chevy has about 300K on it now

[Pookapotamus]

im thinking .040 over with forged pistons, vroom vroom!

[4.3LXJ]

Vroom, Vroom. One thing to watch for is to make sure that they don't offset the boring bar when they bore. That is commonly done by mass rebuilders that end up with a block with a scored cylinder wall. A little offset, and abra cadabra, no problem. Sort of anyway for awhile

[Carves]

Vroom, Vroom. One thing to watch for is to make sure that they don't offset the boring bar when they bore. That is commonly done by mass rebuilders that end up with a block with a scored cylinder wall. A little offset, and abra cadabra, no problem. Sort of anyway for awhile


mehhh ... a ryobi drill and a grinding stone,

... and have at it.


Cant be any different to digging fence post holes .. can it ??

:D:D

[4.3LXJ]

mehhh ... a ryobi drill and a grinding stone,

... and have at it.


Cant be any different to digging fence post holes .. can it ??

:D:D

I do that with a tractor :D

[Carves]

I do that with a tractor :D


hmmmmm ....

I want to see an auger hanging off a tractor PTO,

.... and dangling over Morts engine bay ... :D:D

[4.3LXJ]

No problem. Bore might be a bit large …………………………..

[Pookapotamus]

If I could do it myself I definitely would!!!!

[Pookapotamus]

Alright, looks like Pook is building a new stroker,

got in touch with a really good engine builder he quoted me $40 a hole to have it bored, $80 for the hot tank, then line hone and crack check, should be under $500 to get the block ready!

and now im considering possibly going .060 over, the head I have is a really well done 7120, fully ported polished, much larger valves, harley davidson springs the whole 9 yards, and I have a 2000+ intake and large bore throttle body, exhaust will be upgraded to 3" with dual 2" out the rear bumper. so mort breathes really well, I am thinking I might have been suffocating the old stroker. so I want to open it up a bit with the longer duration cam and larger lift with a forged piston stroker and longer 4.0L rods.

[bRIBEGuy]

.....now im considering possibly going .060 over, the head I have is a really well done 7120, fully ported polished, much larger valves, harley davidson springs the whole 9 yards, and I have a 2000+ intake and large bore throttle body, exhaust will be upgraded to 3" with dual 2" out the rear bumper. so mort breathes really well.....I want to open it up a bit with the longer duration cam and larger lift with a forged piston stroker and longer 4.0L rods.

Insanity. ;)

[Pookapotamus]

Scored some mint doors for mort, barely any marks on them! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/25/9c1c993752411119d162a8b5baa31d67.jpg

[Pookapotamus]

And here is possibly morts new, long rod block! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/25/ecd71336c64bf7edeb2b605351b19c9f.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/25/1b68c51a13bacc7c5dd7c5b58f59080e.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

I am jealous. I want some for half doors. Very rare here

[Pookapotamus]

Kinda rare up here too, that's why I scooped them up

[4.3LXJ]

Wish I could find a cheap pair at the pick and pull. I would snap them up too

[Pookapotamus]

Ok looks like I have the old stroker sold, need to make a decision on how big I am going to build the new one.

What do you guys think? Stay with a 4.6L (0.030" over bore)
or go to the 4.7L (0.060" over bore)

If the only problem with a 4.7L is keeping it cool, that should not be a big issue, might have to step up to an aluminum rad. Can a 4.0L block take a 0.060" bore with no issues???

[4.3LXJ]

I would stick with the 4.6. Cylinder wall thickness is a good thing

[Pookapotamus]

But pook want zoom zoom!!! :mad:

But I think you are right, I am going forged pistons so I can always add boost to it later if I need more Ponys.:rolleyes:

[4.3LXJ]

Yup, heavy breathing is always fun :D

[Pookapotamus]

So the pistons that I have to choose from offer a 10cc dish or a 21cc dish, If my thinking is correct then I want to go with the 10cc dish for more compression and helps the quench out better that the deeper dish, anyone have thoughts on this??

[4.3LXJ]

If you don't put the turbo on, then the 10 cc is the way to go. But if you put the spinner on, then 21 cc wold be better

[Pookapotamus]

Old stroker not sold, counted my chickens before they hatched, my buddy jason, who should be signing up here soon, allready has all the parts for building a stroker, and he wants to learn how to build one so he declined taking my old one, but he has an extra 258 crank that he is going to give me for teaching him hoe to build his! so i am still writing this one up as a win!

[4.3LXJ]

Absolutely

[Carves]

But pook want zoom zoom!!! :mad:



well in that case ... you might need more than a motor change. :D






https://youtu.be/YXVtt8Rlb7M?t=6s

[Pookapotamus]

No way am I driving a Mazda!!!


Is there really a difference between the 12 counterweight and 4 counterweight 258 cranks???

[4.3LXJ]

Not sure on that one. Have you looked into performance heads. Saw one the other day. Might make a real difference in Pook's vroom vroom

[abebehrmann]

No way am I driving a Mazda!!!


Is there really a difference between the 12 counterweight and 4 counterweight 258 cranks???


No personal knowledge but this is what it says in Eric Zappe's second book.
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[Pookapotamus]

Steve, I have a specially ported 7120 with larger valves and Harley springs, happy with that!

Abe thanks I have read that too, even considered buying his books but found most of his info online.

I think I will stay with the 12cw crank as I have a manual.

my buddy is bringing a tone of stroker parts over tomorrow and we are going to inventory what we have to see how many we can build! and with any luck i can convince hime to give me the block out of his jeep to get a NVH block

[NW99XJ]

uHH-HUHUHUHUHUHUHUUUHH
....U Thsaid "LONG ROD"
uHH-HUHUHUHUHUHUHUUUHH
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[Pookapotamus]

Free crank! Hopefully I can salvage it! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/30/86486feb0370737c36062c5dbf42156b.jpg
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[4.3LXJ]

Hmm, kind of pitted. If it hasn't been ground before probably

[Pookapotamus]

update, picking up another engine tonight it is out of an 01 tj, which means it is a special block that according to Eric Zappe can be bored out to 4", I doubt that I would go that big but it does put boring .060" (3.935) over back on the table, giving me 12.22:1 CR with a 10cc dish or 10.68:1 CR with a 21cc dish, I doubt I will ever put forced air on it so what does every one think??

the engine I am getting for $50 because it is siezed, hopefully the block is still good!

[4.3LXJ]

If that block is still good, then a good find

[abebehrmann]

update, picking up another engine tonight it is out of an 01 tj, which means it is a special block that according to Eric Zappe can be bored out to 4", I doubt that I would go that big but it does put boring .060" (3.935) over back on the table, giving me 12.22:1 CR with a 10cc dish or 10.68:1 CR with a 21cc dish, I doubt I will ever put forced air on it so what does every one think??

the engine I am getting for $50 because it is siezed, hopefully the block is still good!

I'm probably wrong, but isn't the block different on the 00+ TJ 4.0's than the XJs? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.

[Pookapotamus]

I'm probably wrong, but isn't the block different on the 00+ TJ 4.0's than the XJs? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.

yes it is a bit different, but building new engine mounts or accesory mounts does not scare me!

[Pookapotamus]

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New candidate block ready for stripping, completely seized no idea why.

Motor mounts will work, with minor modifications

Power steering will also work, have to drill and tap a block hole.

Upper alt bracket will work, lower not so much! Will have to fab something up.

So far no big deal, let the stripping begin!

[Pookapotamus]

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Yikes!!! Obviously a coolant leak!

[Pookapotamus]

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Absolute bugger to get the head bolts out, would not budge with the impact, but I persevered!

[Pookapotamus]

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Wow this thing was cooked!!!! Very sludgey oil stuck to everything!

[Pookapotamus]

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What's that in the pan pook??

It's cooked connecting rod bearings!!!!
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[Pookapotamus]

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Well it all came apart fairly easy, and yup everyone of the rod bearings is spun and done! Slight bend to #1 rod, but other than that the mains are fine, and the block does not look cracked or damaged anywhere!

[Pookapotamus]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/02/9a5172375f236b5a390995bb9827e018.jpg

Do you smell what the Pook is cookin'?

Long Rod Stroker Soufflé !!

[bruggz351]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/02/9a5172375f236b5a390995bb9827e018.jpg

Do you smell what the Pook is cookin'?

Long Rod Stroker Soufflé !!
LOL. WTF? Is that ya kitchen or ya shed?
[emoji4]

Sent from my FRED

[Pookapotamus]

LOL. WTF? Is that ya kitchen or ya shed?
[emoji4]

Sent from my FRED


It's the Pook cave, like the bat cave with less bats and more jeep parts! [emoji6]

[bRIBEGuy]

MORE bats would be pretty cool....

[bruggz351]

MORE bats would be pretty cool....
Agreed. And a batpole. [emoji16]
Would loove a batpole.

Sent from my FRED

[JENSSEN]

I'm probably wrong, but isn't the block different on the 00+ TJ 4.0's than the XJs? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.

That was me, blocks are different but they still have the old bosses, just cant put an 01 XJ motor in a 00 WJ,.. its odd yes I know:bang:

[JENSSEN]

Pook I have a 00 engine lat released #4 piston in an epic way if you need bits

[Pookapotamus]

I think I have all the bits I need, I built a press last night so I can now start disassembling every thing and get a really good inventory on what I need, with any luck I might just make the local show & shine on June 6th.

[Pookapotamus]

So as I was disassembling pistons today, http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/12/890b30aa322e658a232b969728867b81.jpg
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I began to think, Mort has excessive carbon for only 4000 km on these pistons, then i started thinking what could cause him to run rich producing extra carbon, oh ya the second O2 sensor is just zip tied under the hood, its plugged in, and as far as the computer is concerned its reading fresh clean air!



So this leads me to think that the computer is dumping in whatever fuel ratio it wants for the temp of the engine and it always shows clean on the 2nd O2 sensor. Basically it thinks that the cat converter is always doing its job exceptionally well and all is good.



So by running the 2nd O2 sensor back into the pipe, it should tell the computer whoa boy way to rich! and it should lean out a bit, get a better burn, and fix my excessive carbon issue.



At least that is what I am thinking, someone correct me if i'm wrong! or if i'm missing something, I know it probably wont be as good as having the cat in place (but that's not going to happen) but it should be better than having the 2nd O2 sensor just dangling there. Right???

[Pookapotamus]

Oh and I found this on a 4.0L piston, me thinks this might be what happened to mort.
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[4.3LXJ]

Ah, piggy backing compression rings. Ought to work great. NOT!

Wonder why those broke up like that?

[Pookapotamus]

well I started machining the old pistons to accept better rings last night, then my new lathe broke down!!!:bang::bang:

Looks like Mort is going to fight being put back together! Probably only wants the new stroker, not the old one.:xj-yellow:

[bRIBEGuy]

That's a lot of engine parts right there.......

[Pookapotamus]

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Set up all 6 Pistons to clean up and get the proper side clearance for the rings, all ready to go in tomorrow morning, wrist pins are chilling in the freezer!

Also thought more on the carbon issue, if my cam timing is out of whack, that would also cause a bad burn adding to the carbon. Will find out tomorrow!!!

Methinks Mort might be retarded! Silly jeep!

[4.3LXJ]

You are using the four jaw chuck. Good man :thumbsup:

[autotech98]

Also found a oil filter relocation kit that uses 2 PH8A's
Where dana? Id like to do that to Blue

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I547

[Pookapotamus]

Summit racing, http://m.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g4986-1

[autotech98]

Awesome thanks@

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I547

[Pookapotamus]

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[Pookapotamus]

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[Pookapotamus]

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Ok back together, and got the degree wheel out.

First off, the cam card says my lobe separation is 113 deg, and my centerline is 110, therefore the cam has a natural advance of 3 deg.

and @ .050 of lift on the intake I should have a reading of 13 deg on the degree wheel. so.....

with the mopar chain set at factory I get a reading of 17.5 deg therefore Mort is 1.5 deg retarded. 17.5 - 13 - 3 = 1.5 retarded

with the Mopar chain set at adv I get a reading of 13.5 deg therefore Mort is 2.5 deg advanced. 13.5 - 13 - 3 = 2.5 advanced

what I am planing on doing in the morning is drilling the cam sprocket and adding a 2 degree adv spacer. theoretically giving me an advance of 4.5.

How does my math look to everyone? does this make sense??

[4.3LXJ]

I think it does. 4.5° is quite a bit

[Pookapotamus]

Well if the cam was designed to be run at 3 a bit extra should not hurt!

[4.3LXJ]

No. I did a little reading and I guess 4-6° is what you advance for a change of 500 rpm in the torque curve

[Pookapotamus]

Then that's what I will shoot for! Thanks Steve!

I'm going to run through the whole setup again and double check everything!!

[bRIBEGuy]

Timing math is hard. :(

[Pookapotamus]

Tell Me about it!!!! I am more confused than ever!!!!


After removing 4 pistons so that everything spins extremely smooth then re-finding TDC I get numbers that seem out the window!!!

This run of numbers with the chain at zero says that Mort was running 23° retarded. The cam card says I should have .050" lift on the intake lobe at 13° BTDC, @ .050" lift I get a reading of 10° ATDC.

With the chain set for adv, @ .050" lift I get 5° ATDC.

so this it telling me that I am reading the wheel right, adv is working, everything is in the proper direction. But Mort was seriously retarded.

Can I really be that far retarded? there are a lot of factors that could add up to this, like the 4.2L crank in a 4.0L.

I am going back out to my kitchen to measure everything again from scratch!:bang:

[4.3LXJ]

Yup, a conundrum :confused:

[Pookapotamus]

Redid everything, took the timing chain off, messed everything up, then started from scratch.

I sill get 23 deg retarded

[4.3LXJ]

That could be. Are you using the 4.2 timing gears too?

[Pookapotamus]

Ok so 1 tooth out and 4 degree bushing sets it at 14 deg, I guess I'm happy with that, I will reassemble and see if it turns over without hitting a valve.

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[Pookapotamus]

You can see that the timing marks are off. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/17/02bfb521ea8bb5f5846d068383e896bf.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

Well, as long as it works, so be it. You are going to have a torque monster

[Pookapotamus]

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Well it's all back together, head is torqued down and nothing is touching, rolls over quite nice, I guess it will work, I will put the rest together tomorrow, my push rod checking tool is coming Tuesday so I can take a look at this:
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[Pookapotamus]

Still can't believe that it was 23 deg retarded

[bRIBEGuy]

23 degrees retarded seems crazy. Surprised it even ran! ;)

Hoping this rebuild works and gets the beat back on (and off...) the road.

[Pookapotamus]

I guess I should clarify, the 23 deg is from what it should have been, it was only retarded 10 degrees, it should have been advanced 13 deg, hence 23 degrees.

Can't wait to fire it up and see if this makes any difference.

[4.3LXJ]

Looking good Dana. More than I got done in my shop today. All we really got done is mount a new flywheel on a 4.0. Too much nonsense today

[Pookapotamus]

A bad day in the shop is still better than a good day of work!


With all I've been doing out there lately I should get a film crew and start pook's power block!

[4.3LXJ]

Haha, same here. I can't even get a chance to fix my own stuff. I did spend about ten minutes yesterday replacing a seal on the Atlas

[Pookapotamus]

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Downstream O2 sensor in place!

[Pookapotamus]

That's enough for today, engine is ready to go back in, not sure if I'll wait and look at all the pushrods while it's on the stand or stuff it in tomorrow after work.

Still have to machine a new pilot bushing and bolt the clutch up, but that won't take long!
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[4.3LXJ]

We ran into a pilot bushing problem too. Can't seem to find one anywhere for the 4.0. That is what caused all the delay yesterday. If I had one that was the right size, there would have been a 4.0 going back into Ryan's XJ

[Pookapotamus]

I got one out of a chev truck, I can turn it on the lathe to the right size

[Pookapotamus]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/23/dd5379c76ae14e8e42899a2319925467.jpg

Mort runs again!!! Not fully buttoned up yet, but will be ready for next weekend!

[4.3LXJ]

:congrats: You work fast Dana

[Pookapotamus]

He is really hard to start right now, hopefully that will change once I get the belt on and check all the connections

[4.3LXJ]

You probably need to run it a little. Kinda tight when you turn it over?

[Pookapotamus]

No I don't think so, he has to roll over a lot before he catches.

Might just be the computer learning the new settings.

[4.3LXJ]

I am assuming the fuel pressure is where it is supposed to be. Does he kick right away with starting fluid?

[Pookapotamus]

Haven't tried, intake is still oily from the backflush when it blew the piston, it should clear up.

[4.3LXJ]

Try stepping on the throttle and let it go. It may not know the TPS is at idle position. Mine does that

[Pookapotamus]

Family picnic, tomorrow, [emoji53]I'll try when I get back in the garage Monday night!

[4.3LXJ]

Always things getting in the way of important stuff :D

Going to be rebuilding an AX15 tomorrow. Lifting another Jeep too. Shop is going to be crowded :eek:

[bRIBEGuy]

Glad to hear it's coming back together well, Pook!

[Pookapotamus]

Mort is starting and running fine, should have the front end back on him tomorrow and be able to take him to work Wednesday!!!! If I'm not too lazy that is!

[4.3LXJ]

Nothing like a little midnight oil for the shop lamp eh Dana?

[Pookapotamus]

What we won't do for our jeeps!

[4.3LXJ]

I have heard it called an obsession. Can't be :D

[Pookapotamus]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/26/6d0a39abbca0265feca08b2e82cfaa59.jpg
My god! I need a lighter bumper!!

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Alright! Time for the butt dyno! Not a huge noticeable difference, but much smoother accelerating, actually able to do a small burn out, so yes better torque!

Also better in the top end, no rattling and still lots of power at high rpm.

Sounds much better, and the exhaust is much snappier!

I think I will see a difference in gas mileage, have to wait and see. Driving him to work tomorrow!!!

[4.3LXJ]

:congrats: Glad it is working out. My bumper weighs 65# :smiley-taunt002:

[Pookapotamus]

grrr!!! drove to work today and halfway there notice a big cloud of oil behind me! bubbling a bit of oil out of the dipstick tube still! I'm wondering if the end of the tube is below the oil line and a little bit of pressure is forcing it up the tube?? the dipstick itself does not fit on the top too good either. I think I will have to put a larger vacuum line to the breather as well.

[4.3LXJ]

What is up with this Dana?

[Pookapotamus]

I think it's mostly the small 1/8" vacuum line to the rear breather, but it's really getting under my skin!!!

[4.3LXJ]

Yes, I suppose that could be it. I am not sure what else it could be

[Pookapotamus]

Relaxed this with a 5/16" line, see if that helps on the ride home!
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/27/714e3d175793f88d3f37fa899145213d.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

Yeah, that might be a wee bit small

[Pookapotamus]

New vacuum line seems to have worked! Now to fix all the other little issues!

[4.3LXJ]

Good to hear

[Pookapotamus]

Added another 1 1/2" up front to level mort off, can't wait till sat at our local show and shine to see how mort does on the RTI ramp!
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[4.3LXJ]

It will do well I am sure. Don't forget to polish it with a hanky after you get there :D

[Pookapotamus]

I washed him today that's enough!

Well ok I drove him to work in the rain!

[Pookapotamus]

Don't have many pics yet but mort scored 1300 on the RTI ramp! Very proud of him!

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/07/3198ee6a7e4588f9c319c77b8e73e623.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

Very flexy :thumbsup:

[Pookapotamus]

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[Pookapotamus]

So Friday, I washed all the funk out of mort to get him ready for the show and shine, start him up sat morning and he is idling @ 1500, so I played around a bit and when I unplug the tps he idles normal @750, and he started throwing a p0123 code, so I'm thinking the tps is fried, and since this rebuild he has thrown a p1319 code.

Always something to fix!

[4.3LXJ]

Could be

[Pookapotamus]

bucked and jumped all the way to work today! guess im hunting for a new tps.
does anyone know how to fix or adjust the cam crank sync?

[4.3LXJ]

I sure don't. Why do you want to adjust it?

[Pookapotamus]

I was hoping to adjust it back into sync. And not just throw new sensors at it.

[4.3LXJ]

The crank, you cannot adjust unless you were to remove your flywheel and recut grooves in the outside edge. The cam in the dizzy, in theory could be adjusted. It is kind of locked into the position of the rotor. So, if you rotate the dizzy to change timing it messes with the computer and it doesn't like it. Have you checked the timing on Mort?

[Pookapotamus]

I had this problem when I first got mort on the road but I think the only thing that fixed it was a new cam sensor. cant remember. ya timing is good. but he throws the P1391 code, intermittent crank/cam sync.

[4.3LXJ]

You say it intermittent? or is it a constant light?

[Pookapotamus]

light is constant, code says intermittent.

[4.3LXJ]

This might be kind of a brain teaser. I did some reading on this and there were some that had this code that had running engines but had aftermarket sensors instead of Jeep sensors. If your timing is now correct, you might want to pull the dizzy cap and see where the rotor is in relation to the contact on the cap. The Jeep ECM is real fussy about that

[Pookapotamus]

would love to upgrade to this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/acc-77017

[4.3LXJ]

Too bad that is for the Renix

[Pookapotamus]

Too bad that is for the Renix

where do you see that Steve? it says its for a 96, looks like a complete pcm replacement

[4.3LXJ]

Oops. Saw the 87 and didn't see the ending year in check application. Sorry about that

[Carves]

1391 code from the FSM

P1391 (M) Intermittent Loss of CMP or CKP
Loss of the Cam Position Sensor or Crank Position sensor has occurred.


(M) CHECK ENGINE lamp (Malfunction Indicator Lamp or MIL) illuminated during engine operation if this DTC was recorded (depending if required by CARB and/or EPA).


Sounds like a cam sensor issue. Any chance you pinched a wire or the connector is a bit dodgy ??

As I understand (maybe not correct) .... the lamp is on, because the 1391 occurred ... not because it is occurring.


FWIW, loss of revs, stalling and a 1391 meant new cam sensor .... hard to starts have been crank sensor ... on my shopping trolley.

... and I've had no issues using, StandardMotorProducts, sensors - in lieu of whatever stuff is wrapped in a chrysler box.


.... sometimes tho, There are days I would happy, filing points and tapping a carby with a hammer .. :D:D

[Pookapotamus]

Picked up a tps today, hopefully fix one problem.

[bruggz351]

Hey Pook, I haven't been here long, and haven't read your entire thread, sorry man, soon promise😜 but is the dissy in good nick it self?
I mean, could bad bushes etc, cause the code/symptoms you are experiencing? Any slop in the dissy shaft?

Sent from my FRED

[Pookapotamus]

Doesn't matter how long you have been here any help is always appreciated!

Yes, dizzy is in great shape, no points or brushes in these dizzys, just a cam position sensor, and that just might be the sensor that is causing the problem, it needs to sync up with the crank sensor, the pcm in these is really finicky about it, could be the sensor, or could be that the dizzy is not quite in the right position.

Does not really explain it fully, and might leave you more confused! Sorry!

[Pookapotamus]

well swapped the TPS, warmed him up and not throwing any codes, played with the dizzy a bit, still not throwing any codes, will drive him to work in the morning see how he runs.

his idle is still a bit choppy, kinda sounds like a miss but not really, maybe just the cam.

[4.3LXJ]

The long drive is the acid test

[Pookapotamus]

ran great on the way to work this morning!, did get a kick back on his first time starting up though, and I think my pinging is back, but that could be bad gas, and the pcm still needs to adjust a bit. but not throwing any codes!

[4.3LXJ]

That is good. I wouldn't have thought the TPS would have fixed it, but go figure. Kind of hard to get it just right over the net

[bluedragon436]

Glad it seems to be doing better with the TPS swap out.. Hopefully once the PCM learns a bit and get some good gas in there, and it'll run like a champ!!

[Pookapotamus]

Ok, now that Mort seems to be running great, I think the best he ever has, I am thinking its time to swap in a jet performance chip. Here is my thinking... the factory PCM does not use a mass airflow sensor, which means it is using volumetric calculations based off of bore and stroke with TPS measurements and rpm to determine the amount of fuel to inject into the cylinders.

Here is the problem, the stock 4.0L has a cylinder volume of 660cc, Mort has a volume of 764cc, so the factory PCM cannot calculate the proper volumes.

This just wont do! :mad0090:

So what do I do about it? I dont have the cash to swap out to a different engine management system at the moment, so a stage 2 chip from jet will have to do.






For now. muahaha

[4.3LXJ]

If you want to go balls to the wall, which you are heading for, the Mega Squirt PCM is programable and will run anything. It has no limitations and is usable under a number of different scenarios. If you don't have smog inspections like we do, go for it

[Pookapotamus]

I will look into it Steve!

well backfired again this morning, and on the way to work it will back fire at high rpm around 5000. I guess my only option is to open it up again and back off the cam timing a bit.

some days I wish I drove a Volvo.:rolleyes:

[4.3LXJ]

No you don't. Those people just don't have any fun

[Pookapotamus]

hmmm that mega squirt looks like fun!!!! I wonder if I could add a mass air flow sensor?

plus it has the added benefit of me giggling every time I say its name!!!

[abebehrmann]

some days I wish I drove a Volvo.:rolleyes:


EWWWWWWW!!!!!

Unless it's one of these:

[4.3LXJ]

hmmm that mega squirt looks like fun!!!! I wonder if I could add a mass air flow sensor?

plus it has the added benefit of me giggling every time I say its name!!!

They also have a Micro Squirt :smiley-taunt002:

It is the waterproof version :D

[Pookapotamus]

I was looking at the 3rd gen, I think, did not get much time to research.

[4.3LXJ]

The last time I looked at these, it was pretty promising. They are supposed to run just about anything and you wire up as much of it as you need. Not sure yet if they will run variable valve timing on a dual overhead cam, but I hope so. Got my eye on a future project

[Pookapotamus]

yup ms3 pro, will run everything from a blender to an airbus a380...well almost!

pook wants one bad!!!!

screw the jet chip!!!

[4.3LXJ]

I knew you would say that. That is worth about 20 jet chips and so much more flexible.

[Pookapotamus]

Anyone wanna buy a kidney?

[bluedragon436]

Yeah the MS Pro is a very nice unit.. Got a few friends that run that setup in their "race" cars.. from drifting to a few drag cars... from 4 cyl N/A, to 4cyl turbo charged.. to monster V8 (that I'd love to steal to swap out with the 5.7L Hemi in my Ram... and the 5.7 would have a nice rumble for under the hood of the XJ!! LOL

[4.3LXJ]

Remember what I said about big imaginations and small wallet? :D

[Pookapotamus]

1/4" turn on the dizzy this morning and mort is running like a champ!

[4.3LXJ]

:thumbsup:

[Pookapotamus]

ok so i was fortunate enough to have a stock 4.0L find its way into my shop, so i tore it down and did a quick degree on the cam just to see what they have stock. I got 19 ATDC that the intake opens .050.

now i need to find out what the stock cam is supposed to be then i know if i am degreeing properly.

[Pookapotamus]

I am convinced that I have not degreed the cam correctly, but I can't figure out where I went wrong, watched a ton of vids on the net, sure looks like I am doing it correctly, but they why do I get wrong data on a stock 4.0l?

so far the only difference I can see is v8 to I6, but it should still be the same procedure.


Pook Confused!!!

I just cant prove that i'm wrong!!!

[4.3LXJ]

It should be the same procedure. However before you tear it down again, remember the code can be caused by a bad cam position sensor. If you had an OBDII, you would have a random misfire for a particular cylinder, or random cylinders. My suggestion is that you owe it to yourself to change that out. If you are getting a backfire, it means unburned gas is going down the tail pipe. That to me indicates no spark even if you don't have a cat

[Pookapotamus]

Don't have any codes anymore Steve, I am just looking at the cam timing again to see if it is set wrong.

[4.3LXJ]

I understand, but still you have to take into account that there is a misfire to get a back fire.

[Pookapotamus]

That's what makes me thing the cam timing is too far advanced.

Did that bearing work for you??

[4.3LXJ]

We will install the bearing tomorrow.

I am thinking if the cam is too far advanced, it will ignite and come up through the intake

[Pookapotamus]

Well if the cam is advanced that means the intake valve closes sooner.

[Pookapotamus]

I have to figure out how to properly degree the cam, then I can truly know what's going on in there.

[4.3LXJ]

You start out by finding true TDC?

[Pookapotamus]

Yuppers!

[4.3LXJ]

Then you find the maximum lift of the cam plus or minus on both sides to find the top of the lift?

[Pookapotamus]

I used the @ .050 method. It's supposed to be more accurate, but it's out, fortunately I have the stocker to practice on right now.

[4.3LXJ]

You might try both ways on your stocker and see what happens

[Pookapotamus]

That's the plan!

[4.3LXJ]

Good luck. When you get this all figured out, you can go to the Mega Squirt and MAF sensor and stick a bigger cam in there. The stock ECM doesn't handle those very well either

[Pookapotamus]

Can't wait for that!!!

[4.3LXJ]

I can see you giggling already

[Pookapotamus]

Like a schoolgirl!!!!

[4.3LXJ]

We will put it on Youtube :D

[Pookapotamus]

well I think I finally figured it out, I have been doing everything right for the degreeing procedure.

Here is a pic of my cam card,http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/14/9f1c3cd48696562da2b17c4f6b5f0728.jpg

And here is a web page from comp cams for this cam,http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=12&sb=2
can you find the difference???

And here is a page I found for all cams for the 4.0L, http://www.angelfire.com/my/fan/Jeep4.0Camshafts.htm


So what it looks like is the cam card has a typo for valve timing @ ____. the web page says @ .006" the intake opens 13° BTDC, the card says @ .050" the intake opens 13° BTDC. so the card should read valve timing @ .006.

The other web page looks like it has the proper readings for the comp cam to open @ .050" I will confirm all this when I get Mort opened up once again to correct the cam timing.

And finally I have proven that I was wrong on the cam timing, I can correct it, and thankfully I did not damage Mort, also I now fully understand cam timing in the 4.0L.

[4.3LXJ]

No pics showing up Pook

[Pookapotamus]

just added it from my phone

[bRIBEGuy]

Cam timing makes my head hurt.....

Hope you got it all sorted out Pook!

[bRIBEGuy]

How goes the battle against Mort? That beast needs to get running again..... ;)

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[Pookapotamus]

Sweet shots Mark! Thanks for posting! He is still running, drive him everyday!

[bRIBEGuy]

Glad to hear you like the pics. I'll email you a few full rez ones. ;)

[Pookapotamus]

Sweet buddy thanks! I will pull him apart soon and readjust the cam timing, have to do head gaskets on mrs pook's ride first.

[Pookapotamus]

So I stripped down the wife's Impala today, she had to go tend to her mom, so she took Mort, first time driving Mort, first time driving a lifted jeep.

She loved it! I might have problems getting my keys from now on!


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[4.3LXJ]

You will just have to build Mort Junior :D

[4.3LXJ]

Plan B Dana

Get a 4 door from Jenssen and build that. Then make Mort into Rinzler :D

Women like 4 doors better

[Pookapotamus]

Lol!!!


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[4.3LXJ]

In all seriousness, I plan on a lifted WJ for my wife. She said we need an extra trail rig for breakdowns :rolleye0012:

[abebehrmann]

In all seriousness, I plan on a lifted WJ for my wife. She said we need an extra trail rig for breakdowns :rolleye0012:


You married a smart woman.

[4.3LXJ]

Yup :D

[xj-jake]

I'm so jealous of your Jeep Dana. I love all the work you've done to it and how everything has turned out. It's definitely a work of art. Thanks for the inspiration.

[Pookapotamus]

Thanks Jake, means a lot! I gots lots more planned for him, new gauges, replace front and rear bumpers with aluminum, ori's, mega squirt and looking at a sunroof option.

I doubt he will ever be done!


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[xj-jake]

That's the Jeep thing! They're never done!

[Pookapotamus]

So I'm considering flipping my fans around to the front of the rad now that I am not running a/c. I think I will remove the silver squares that the fans are mounted on now and make them pushers, will look nice through the front grill, and give more room for trail repairs if needed in the engine bay.

What does the forum think?? It's not that much work as I have to tear the front apart to fix the cam timing anyway.
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Maybe open up the air flow a bit.


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[4.3LXJ]

Been there and done that Dana. I found you have to have the proper shaped fan blade for the direction it turns. Most of those electric fans have a dished blade to increase the velocity of the air coming off the back side. Better check that stuff out first

[Pookapotamus]

I think this kit was designed for both, not too sure, was planning on a little web surfing tonight.


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[4.3LXJ]

If you have your heart set on pushers, I have a couple of pushers that will suck small children into them. 2200 cfm each 11" diameter

[Pookapotamus]

It's not that I want pushers, was just thinking about having space in front to get in there on the trail, but reading into it I think it's better to have the shrouds in place. And they are only single direction fans so I will keep things the way they are.

Although they are only 1100 cfm per fan

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[4.3LXJ]

:thukmbsup: Mne have a zipper on them. They come out out in a couple of minutes

[Pookapotamus]

A zipper??? Really???


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[Pookapotamus]

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[4.3LXJ]

A zipper??? Really???


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Yeah, you know, hot rod speak for making stuff so you can remove it quickly and reinstall just as quick. Had a friend that had a zipper on his 350 Chevy V8. He could take a Vega and install it in about 4 hours. Drive it until he twisted it, then get another non running car and do it again. My air intake which goes across the front of the engine and both fans come out in less than five minutes

[Pookapotamus]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/04/9c13910af7a9eb96cef7387ff81c39ba.jpg

Everything now matches up with what it is supposed to be! Looking at everything now it looks like I am 4 deg advanced from stock. So was it worth buying a deg wheel and playing around? Yes, if the cam card was not wrong in the first place this would have been easy. Might not have gained hp but it is good to know that everything is right.

And I can now confirm that the cam card was indeed wrong.

Mort has a good average compression of 180 psi, now I can get him back together, get a good tank of gas in him and head out wheeling!!!


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[Pookapotamus]

Well it looks like I'm doing valve seals again! Downshifting and mort leaves a nice cloud of blue smoke behind him!

Sigh! One day he'll run right! Oh and I have the lovely P1391 code! [emoji31]


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[4.3LXJ]

Dang Dana, can I talk you into a 4.3 swap?

[Pookapotamus]

Lol, not yet! But maybe soon!


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[Pookapotamus]

If I swap engines, my insurance skyrockets.
They don't understand having more power to go slower! [emoji53]

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[4.3LXJ]

Ah, more bureaucratic nonsense :bang:

[bluedragon436]

If I swap engines, my insurance skyrockets.
They don't understand having more power to go slower! [emoji53]

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Why do they have to know you swapped engines?? Will they not cover you in the even of an accident if it's not the original?? In that case, just tell them you were under the impression it was the stock engine!! LOL

[Pookapotamus]

Yes if I got into an accident with a 350 under the hood they could not cover me, as far as they know my 4.0L is stock, but at least it still looks stock so it's plausible. I had to update my registration when I changed color too.


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[Pookapotamus]

They specifically asked "has the engine been modified for more power?"

I said no it's been modified for more torque

They said " oh... Ok"


[emoji13]


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[4.3LXJ]

You sly devil :mad0090:

[Pookapotamus]

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Mort's first ink!

Need to get off my ass and get an xj talk decal!


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[4.3LXJ]

If Mort had sleeves, what would they look like? :D

[Pookapotamus]

Tire tread tribal?? [emoji13]


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[4.3LXJ]

Sounds good to me. Mine will be traditional skin. Done in Plumb Crazy purple of course. We could park next to each other and be twins. :smiley-taunt002:

[Pookapotamus]

Like Steve said in a different post, I also don't like to have stickers all over my jeep, but that being said, I added 30 decals to Mort today! Can you see them???
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No?? That's because they are really only visible when I'm wheeling!!!
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On the gas tank skid...
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And on the belly skid!!!
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And of course my favourite, a Phoenix hood emblem!
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[4.3LXJ]

Oh man Dana, If I did that I would have to wash the bottom of the Jeep. I hardly wash the top now :D I pray for rain. Gonna get washed next month when we camp for a week

[Pookapotamus]

Lol! Gotta wash Mort Friday for the show and shine sat!


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[4.3LXJ]

I am not doing those until I paint it. And you realize, you have postponed the paint job until the 6X6 conversion is done. That makes it your fault it doesn't get washed more often you know :smiley-taunt002:

[Pookapotamus]

My bad! Better send me back to my shop!


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