Trans swap

[cantab27]

well after the heavy rain that killed my trans:indifferent0020: i have to swap them over...no big deal this is my 3rd one... my question is how hard to do swap in my driveway.... last time i did it it was on a hoist.... hoist has a sick tj on it at the moment and cant see it being available anytime soon... so should i do it in driveway or wait....tis been 3 weeks since the drowning...:sad0147:

wait to you see the colour of the new trans....:eek:

[prerunner1982]

3rd time? Mate you could do it in the driveway no problem.... you got skills.

[XJScarlet]

I agree, if this is your third one, you've got it covered.

Grab a friend, it will go faster.

[cantab27]

yep but standing up working on it is better than laying on cold ground...soft with age maybe..........

new water proofing will be done same as the starter after the drowning before this one


http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0331.jpg

[bigjim350]

Doing it in the driveway is not that bad. Just make sure you have a good floor jack, and 4 good jack stands.

[Carves]

I can see it now ...

An AW4 1/2 buried in that cold ground .....

... and a set of arms & legs flailing around .... from underneath it .... :D


JungleJuice made a bracket to go on his small floor jack to make life easy .... its on the "other" forum somewhere .... ;)


Only done it on a hoist myself but figure X 2 with bigjim350 if you have the gear ....

[cantab27]

easy to get trans down on jack by myself jim...........and how many beers should it take to do......

[cantab27]

jj on here may pm carves,,cheers mate

[bigjim350]

I have swapped trans by myself quite a few times with just a jack. Does usually take atleast an 18pk of beer though.

[cantab27]

will get a slad then...slab =24

[jeepxj95]

what coused the first on to die?

[cantab27]

what coused the first on to die?

heat,,, was on a road trip xmas 08 ,,, noticed a couple puffs of white smoke, didn't think anything of it as was going through the hills.. was a wee leak out of cooler and went bang ..... scared the shit out of us,, smoke everywhere, ...was a shit holiday ....:p

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image037.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image045-1.jpg

old one sat in the garden for a bit, told the Mrs it was a new feature...;)....




http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image024.jpg

[OrangeXJ]

easy to get trans down on jack by myself jim...........and how many beers should it take to do......

as many as it takes till your done :drinking:

[cj4a nz]

bugger the axle stand's at your place at the moment,get those ramps 2 sets,
won't jump off them as easily :rolleye0012:
rain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know you place is wet but still !!
don't forget the rear main seal
whats the tj on the hoist for ?

[cantab27]

rear seals good,, tj under rebuild,, the hardcore one with the lockers....um yeah drowned jeep up the ashley warren.........waters cold this time of year.....pic on here somewhere

[cantab27]

see rain..........:D

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/waterrat002-1.jpg


ice coffee anyone

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/waterrat011.jpg

thats ment to be a kinda red colour , yes:p

[4.3LXJ]

Wayne, I use a tranny jack. Don't really need it for getting it out ... gravity you know. but real handy for getting it back in. The pan will sit on the flat top of the jack, and it has wheels. Just get ya Jeep up good and high to start with. Cuts down on the beer though ...

[steph74]

oh and no matter what my friend, be safe and make sure you use solid jacks.... you don;t want Mother Earth Shaking your jeep out of the stands while you are working under do you ?

[cantab27]

mate if it shakes why i'm under it , y'all here me scream over there......

[Mudderoy]

mate if it shakes why i'm under it , y'all here me scream over there......

I've been known to put my wheel and tire under the body, so just in case all else fails I'll at least have that much room. :innocent0002:

If you're going to keep treating that Jeep like a boat, it might be worth the trouble to switch to a standard transmission...

[prerunner1982]

If you're going to keep treating that Jeep like a boat, it might be worth the trouble to switch to a standard transmission...

And add a boat propeller while you are at it..

[4.3LXJ]

I think ramps are a good thing for quakes

[cantab27]

I've been known to put my wheel and tire under the body, so just in case all else fails I'll at least have that much room. :innocent0002:

If you're going to keep treating that Jeep like a boat, it might be worth the trouble to switch to a standard transmission...

has crossed my mind tony... but like the auto when i wheel......gotta find a way to make it more water resistance......:driving:

[bigjim350]

......gotta find a way to make it more water resistance......:driving:


Green duct tape :thumbsup:
http://www.tapebrothers.com/v/vspfiles/photos/CDT36-STUB-DGN210-2T.jpg

[Mudderoy]

has crossed my mind tony... but like the auto when i wheel......gotta find a way to make it more water resistance......:driving:

Yeah I don't blame ya there. I guess I'm showing some of my own fears in my comment. If I knew how to rebuild a auto I probably wouldn't be so anti-auto. Standards are just so much more simpler and the vehicle can be push started.

[cantab27]

Green duct tape :thumbsup:
http://www.tapebrothers.com/v/vspfiles/photos/CDT36-STUB-DGN210-2T.jpg

this product should have its own thread ,,,sticky it...:rolleye0012:

some great advice ,,thanks jim:thumbsup:

[cantab27]

Yeah I don't blame ya there. I guess I'm showing some of my own fears in my comment. If I knew how to rebuild a auto I probably wouldn't be so anti-auto. Standards are just so much more simpler and the vehicle can be push started.

manuals have there place...... water can get in between clutch plate when changing gear in water as well...

shes on the hoist this weekend:frog:

[cj4a nz]

struth thats cutting it fine Sheffeild on sunday a one day job now is it ;)
I still need navvie :pray:

[cantab27]

struth thats cutting it fine Sheffeild on sunday a one day job now is it ;)
I still need navvie :pray:

good news on 2s as ya navie, hes a good dude.... no sheffield for me ,Simon is out the big Nissan a bit sick..... got plans for working on Heep on Sunday...kinda miss not having the jeep mobile.....and i wont drive out there in Mrs yota or boys ricer and work truck is full of work shit,,,funny that:D

[cantab27]

and so it begins...spending that much time on a trailer lately may as well paint it white


http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0559.jpg

bugger the the driveway the hoist is free.........:)

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0565.jpg

so yeah shafts off , starter motor out,

green bottles open..

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0563.jpg

then this started...:o

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0564.jpg


:mel:


found this in the back yard..its blue ..so we shot it..............:innocent0002:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0560.jpg


dust covers of dust covers on......mmmmmmmm... your call

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0566.jpg

so yeah not much done ,,drunk beer talked shit, ...:bogroll:

so yeah no hurry have got a few bits to do to the old girl........:shocker:

[4.3LXJ]

Poor blue Jeep, RIP :cuss:

[cantab27]

well spent a couple of sober hours and pulled the wet trans...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0568.jpg


more ice coffee..dont know why....:rolleye0012:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0567.jpg

ill throw new one in next weekend.....:smiley-gen165:

[4.3LXJ]

The least you could do is open a coffee shop and recoup the cost of the tranny by selling the iced coffee :D

[cantab27]

um , pulled spare trans outta shed..... no torque converter........she still sits on the hoist........oh well beer o'clock

[cantab27]

well found a place that will sort out converter for me.. split em and clean em.......

also need front axle seals both sides blew, breather must be blocked..least the oil dripping out is a dark colour not milky like..:D...
why shes off the road for a bit ,new water pump and rad to go in..has been getting that red heat problem...will also sort out the front bar and strength it..

new head lights , and front right hub is shot again............:bang:..

one of the pulley bearings is screaming as well , plus ac pump noisy again...

oh and pull winch apart again.......;)

[Mudderoy]

well found a place that will sort out converter for me.. split em and clean em.......

also need front axle seals both sides blew, breather must be blocked..least the oil dripping out is a dark colour not milky like..:D...
why shes off the road for a bit ,new water pump and rad to go in..has been getting that red heat problem...will also sort out the front bar and strength it..

new head lights , and front right hub is shot again............:bang:..

one of the pulley bearings is screaming as well , plus ac pump noisy again...

oh and pull winch apart again.......;)

I've been wanting some of these...

http://www.sealsit.com/images/picja.gif

:link: (http://www.sealsit.com/jeepaxle.asp)

[cantab27]

I've been wanting some of these...

http://www.sealsit.com/images/picja.gif

:link: (http://www.sealsit.com/jeepaxle.asp)

do we know anyone running those,,, seem like a interesting idea

[Carves]

Headlights buggered ... or just full of mud & frogs ?


A good slosh around with soapy water followed by a de-mineralised water rinse and left to dry out of direct sunlight ... might bring em up nearly as good as new ?

[Mudderoy]

do we know anyone running those,,, seem like a interesting idea

I have not heard from anyone about this. I'd like to hear from someone though. I found a pair for $47...

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-35554245108358_2178_29765927

:link: (http://www.cseoffroad.com/11102.html)

[xj4life2]

I have not heard from anyone about this. I'd like to hear from someone though. I found a pair for $47...

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-35554245108358_2178_29765927

:link: (http://www.cseoffroad.com/11102.html)

Not to sounds like a nay sayer, but all the major axle companys I deal wiith say dont use em. Besides the seal you want to fix is in the axle and this wont help.

[Mudderoy]

Not to sounds like a nay sayer, but all the major axle companys I deal wiith say dont use em. Besides the seal you want to fix is in the axle and this wont help.

So does this mean that the seal in the axle should take care of keeping water and crap out which makes these pointless?

[4.3LXJ]

The axle seals on the open knuckle Dana axles have always had the water and mud problem inside the tube and loosing seals because of it. They went to this design because it was cheaper to produce. But when I go to my new front axle, it will be old school closed knuckle. They are much easier to keep the water, sand and mud out of the shiny parts. As for the add on seals, I have not heard anything one way or the other. I do think though that they would take a beating from any axle vibes out that far on the passenger side and fail early.

[cantab27]

so really im back to looking at doing this up grade

http://www.offroadspecialties.co.nz/node/363

cause im sick of this price and i chew through them..

http://www.offroadspecialties.co.nz/node/13


found ya red thingys mud

http://www.offroadspecialties.co.nz/node/241


notice the price difference.............................ouch

by the way that $245 is for one hub.......

[4.3LXJ]

Too bad you don't live here mate, I could set you up a good closed knuckle front end that would not give you any more trouble. I ran one for almost ten years in the Pacific Northwest mud, kind of like the NZ wet climate that never gave me any trouble.

[cantab27]

Too bad you don't live here mate, I could set you up a good closed knuckle front end that would not give you any more trouble. I ran one for almost ten years in the Pacific Northwest mud, kind of like the NZ wet climate that never gave me any trouble.

more info steve, maybe able to copy it down here ..ya never know:pray:

[xj4life2]

So does this mean that the seal in the axle should take care of keeping water and crap out which makes these pointless?

Thats the jest of it.

[4.3LXJ]

Might be a bit of a problem in NZ. But here I could probably find the early Waggy axles. Not sure if they have the pumpkin on the driver side or not. but they can be changed over with cutting the tubes and rewelding with some trussing. No bushing for a top link though, but you can run a three link. I have for quite awhile. Land Cruiser stuff would be the best and easiest stuff to work with I think and has the best aftermarket support, like with extra heavy duty knuckle wipers etc. If you want to go that route, I think you could do it cheaper than the spindle conversion, but I don't know about NZ prices.

[cantab27]

i think cruiser ones aren't wide enough...will ask Leon up north on his build...

[4.3LXJ]

They may be close enough a couple of spacers will do it.

[senatE]

do we know anyone running those,,, seem like a interesting idea

My friend runs them and he said he loves them. i am thinking about ordering some if i can work them into my budget lol.

[cantab27]

My friend runs them and he said he loves them. i am thinking about ordering some if i can work them into my budget lol.

what kinda wheeling does he do ........:thumbsup:

[prerunner1982]

Sounds like you have a bit of work ahead of you Wayne. Good luck.

I have also seen those seals and if I did much off road water crossing I would look into them. As long as they don't hurt anything, then hopefully they would help. But like others I have not heard good or bad about them.

[cantab27]

will ask rick , me local jeep guru here...

[prerunner1982]

I posted about it on JP Magazine's facebook page, will see what they say. Even mentioned XJtalk.com

[senatE]

what kinda wheeling does he do ........:thumbsup:

a lot of mud and rock crawling. just make sure you get a real good clean seal when you put them in. you have to silicone them into the axle so clean it really good.

[prerunner1982]

JP Magazines response:

RCV and Superior offer something similar, I used them and found that they prevent sedimentary mud from accumulating in the tubes.
Mad 4WD also carries a different version that goes inside the axle tube.

[cantab27]

OK then, slight difference in trans, mines a 95, new trans is 94...mine has a 8 stamped on it new one has a 10..anyone see any problems in that..there is a difference in one sensor...have pic will post when get home....:crazy:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0575.jpg

the green on is slightly longer........

[prerunner1982]

Well Wayne, what fun would it be if it was easy? :bang:

[cantab27]

pulled pan of trans, can someone tell me what those 3 sensor thingys are..

i have to swap the wires to good trans, someone stole others outta the good trans..:out::out:


http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0576.jpg

turning into a bit more than just swapping trans over..:cry:

[prerunner1982]

pulled pan of trans, can someone tell me what those 3 sensor thingys are..

Shift solenoids.

http://www.winnerschoicetransmissionparts.com/servlet/Detail?no=306

[cantab27]

OK then, slight difference in trans, mines a 95, new trans is 94...mine has a 8 stamped on it new one has a 10..anyone see any problems in that..there is a difference in one sensor...have pic will post when get home....:crazy:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0575.jpg

the green on is slightly longer........

all good found out black one is outta a yota...

[prerunner1982]

Additional comment by JP Magazine:

"We used the inner seals in the "Hazel 60" axle buildup. They were top-quality pieces. No reason the outers wouldn've have the same high quality. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.105850432793019.3879.100001041885722"

[prerunner1982]

More comments from Pete Trasborn (JP Magazine):

Pete Trasborg I used the Superior ones in the front of my MJ too. If you are a mud guy, or go where it is wet, I think they are worth it. The catch is, if you don't grease em regularly, they will do nothing for you.

[4.3LXJ]

Yup that is what they are. Just make aure the wiring matches up from theTCM

[cantab27]

all good steve..what they did was swap some bits outta spare trans for that red thing being built....and put yota bits just to keep the shit outta the holes and such

[cantab27]

no updates ,,cant be bothered with it...red yota time me thinks...:popcorn:

[cantab27]

righto then ,, getting jeep withdrawals and after driving around in Mrs cynos last weekend time to do it,,,:rolleye0012:

picked up recondition converter....

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/Image0584.jpg


pretty anit it..........:p

sit down,, $339, there..:smiley-scared002:
so plan is to throw trans back in tomorrow...:shocker:

then start the wee list of miner stuff........

[4.3LXJ]

It's blue Wayne, just the right color. It will have more power now and go faster :D

[cantab27]

It's blue Wayne, just the right color. It will have more power now and go faster :D

soon as i picked it up today and seen the colour i knew i had to post a pic for ya mate....;)

[LizardRunner]

Well at least blue and green go together without looking like christmas.:D

[cantab27]

so in with this...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0589.jpg

because of this

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0590.jpg

swapped some bits over inside...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0576.jpg

put the pan back on,,


http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0591.jpg

that's for ray and tony...will wait for constructive criticism ..:D

extended the breather

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0595.jpg

then had a wee issue, broke this

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0592.jpg


so with the bits i had laying around i did this...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0593.jpg

good as new...:pray:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0598.jpg

then brought 20 ltrs of trans oil...$140............:shocker:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0596.jpg

so still have trans cooler to sort and clean shit outta the lines....:D

[jeepxj95]

looking good. what where u doing inside the trans??? solids? spelling sucks sorry

[cantab27]

gave filter a clean..plus stole wires of the solenoids....spare trans had bits missing or broken....pita not just a straight swap over when shes been drowed.....still beats spending the day with the mrs...........(she dont read this dribble,,lol )

[4.3LXJ]

Better paint that pan Wayne, it will make the green Jeep hiccup. :D

[cantab27]

anyone done what i did to my nss,,as in cut wires and re solder them.....they want $300 odd for another,,,should work????? yes wires matched up..lol

[4.3LXJ]

No reason it wouldn't work. But then again, I don't even use one on mine. Much more convenient on he trail.

[cantab27]

pulled more bits off today...cleaned lines from cooler to trans ,,cleaned out the cooler...

found a small crack in radiator, off to the shop on Tuesday..

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0603.jpg

found out where the noise is coming from..ac pump bearing again...:mad:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0605.jpg

shes looking a wee bit sad at the mo...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0606.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0601.jpg

so still have to drop exhaust manifold and weld crack''

plus going to throw in a new water pump why shes apart...

so sliders will have to wait again.....tis not like i need them anyways..

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0599.jpg

worth doing the frost plug at the back of the engine why i have trans out...

anything esle i should do why i have it in bits.......mmmmm lots of bits


http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0608.jpg

anyone know where these bits go.....:D


and lastly a shit pic for jimbos....



http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0610.jpg


i taught i saw a pussy cat................


till next time ...

KEEP IT GREEN..:cool:

[Mudderoy]

Getting closer Wayne. She should be better than new soon!

[cantab27]

Getting closer Wayne. She should be better than new soon!

cheers mate....

from a little bit of water ....well major stuff to fix... but all good,,
as they say

ITS A JEEP THING.....

love it.:D

[Carves]

worth doing the frost plug at the back of the engine why i have trans out...


I would .....

Its a PITA to do ... when it needs doing ...

Call it preventative maintence ... ;) .. :D

[cantab27]

I would .....

Its a PITA to do ... when it needs doing ...

Call it preventative maintence ... ;) .. :D

thats what i was thinking ..couple of bucks for the part...it open i can see it may as well do it,,....be a prick of a thing to do when its all hooked up....

[4.3LXJ]

Hey Wayne, ya gonna run that new breather up to the snorkel? That is the way the Mighty Mite is. They were good for 4" of water, about nose height in those little guys.

[cantab27]

thats where its gonna go steve

[4.3LXJ]

Fantastic. No more wet tranny

[cantab27]

Fantastic. No more wet tranny

um yeah ,,,we will wait and see ...:driving:

how hard are front axle seals to do mate...

[4.3LXJ]

The seals themselves are not hard, but you have to pull the axles. Some use a really long extension and socket to push them back in

[cantab27]

cool ,, will post on here when i do them,,,they are on order,,,

[cj4a nz]

remember to only do the bolts up finger tight, easier to replace next time :D
mine still on the floor as well
turn the a/c pump into a compressor while it's in bits

[cantab27]

remember to only do the bolts up finger tight, easier to replace next time :D
mine still on the floor as well
turn the a/c pump into a compressor while it's in bits

i like air con when out wheeling in summer on the old dusty tracks....:D

[cantab27]

well may be up for a new radiator as well...rusted out in the four corners...has been fix once already...just waiting on a call..... hate to think how much a new one will cost,, cant be bothered with one outta a wreck....be looking at around $400 new me thinks...
ordered water pump last night...$145....dont you guys just love our prices..and none are from the dealership toffs....so the drowning hasnt cost that much , more the birthday im giving it..........

[cantab27]

new radiator, pick it up tomorrow.........$180... much happiness this brings me..:smiley-taunt013:

[prcjeep]

new radiator, pick it up tomorrow.........$180... much happiness this brings me..:smiley-taunt013:

That doesnt sound too bad for down there... what kind is it?

[cantab27]

will post pic and info when i get it Patrick....hasn't got the plastic sides......well stoked with the price,,...hopefully get a lot done this weekend.......

[prcjeep]

cool, I was about to post ":worthlesspics:"

:D

[cantab27]

i always post pics...just a pity they are on my phone and look like shit........................

[prcjeep]

I know whatcha mean about the phone pic quality. I camera had a busted lcd screen when I pulled it out last week so now my phone is the best camera i have

[cantab27]

always with me as well....must buy a decent phone, some take nice pics..

[cantab27]

one piece of the puzzle...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0614.jpg


hopefully the water pump will be here tomorrow.. and i have to pick up front axle seals...

[msmoorenburg]

i always post pics...just a pity they are on my phone and look like shit........................

stop taking it swimming :shocker:

[cantab27]

well i have all the bits for the freshen up.. should help and keep temps down..also have front axle seals now........ so plan is to put trans in ,, water pump plus new rad and axle seals....whos in to lend a hand ...free beer and midgets....

but first i have to go and get a tooth pulled........fun for me..wounder if my blood runs green yet......

[4.3LXJ]

well i have all the bits for the freshen up.. should help and keep temps down..also have front axle seals now........ so plan is to put trans in ,, water pump plus new rad and axle seals....whos in to lend a hand ...free beer and midgets....

but first i have to go and get a tooth pulled........fun for me..wounder if my blood runs green yet......

Not yet Wayne, that would mean you were Vulcan (Star Trek). You don't have pointy ears:rolleye0012:

[cantab27]

well late start but got abit done today''
new water pump

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0625.jpg

that's some bling bling right there...

old and the new..

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0624.jpg

my engine oozes green goodness...:D

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0623.jpg

then moved all this..

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0628.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0626.jpg

cause i found this

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0627.jpg

so did this

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0630.jpg

putting it back together under lights..:boohoo:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0632.jpg


and just for jimbos again.......no pussy

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0629.jpg

getting there slowly as i have no idea what i'm doing ...what hey tis the only way to learn me thinks...
more tomorrow.....

[dagr8tim]

Fantastic. No more wet tranny

I hate wet tranny's.

[4.3LXJ]

Is it going to run with that shinny water pump? Better paint it green.

[cantab27]

trans in..... new rad in , just some plumbing and cosmetic stuff to put back on..... have a new phone but cant figure pic thingy thing out.....yes i just said that..

[Mudderoy]

trans in..... new rad in , just some plumbing and cosmetic stuff to put back on..... have a new phone but cant figure pic thingy thing out.....yes i just said that..

Wow! It's like Christmas in New Zealand! Ask you son how it works. :popcorn:

[cantab27]

Wow! It's like Christmas in New Zealand! Ask you son how it works. :popcorn:

its always christmas in nz........

bit more done tonight.... should be running by weekend........well maybe:smiley-laughing021:

[cantab27]

another few hours done,, shes getting closer ...mmmmm i can hear the river calling....

[cantab27]

set back ,,rads a bit different as in plumbing a bit different....no biggie me thinks..still cant get pics off new phone so maybe it didn't happen...

[Carves]

set back ,,rads a bit different as in plumbing a bit different....no biggie me thinks..still cant get pics off new phone so maybe it didn't happen...


Which plumbing .... the tranny lines ???

[cantab27]

yep.....

[Carves]

yep.....

Sounds like you got a LHD one with the connections on the air filter side ??

LHD XJs have the oil lines hooked up to the heat exchanger in the cool side of the radiator ..... and the aux oil cooler on the crossmember ... is an option for additional/better cooling.

RHD XJs have the oil lines hooked up to the heat exchanger in the hot side of the radiator :rolleyes::rolleyes: ....

.... and the aux oil cooler on the crossmember ... would apppear to be fitted as standard - to offset the dumb RHD oil line hookup .... not coz chrysler was generous to RHDvrs. ;)

You'll be better off plumbing up the new rad & aux oil cooler ( or a proper replacement oil cooler ) than having the RHD setup .....

Dont bypass the rad and rely on the piddly little factory aux cooler alone tho ....

[cantab27]

cheers carves..... would post pics but yeah,,, will take camera tomorrow night... will nut it out ,, was just over it tonight,,,,so close to running ............

[cantab27]

thinking about it ..plumbing is on the right side ..connections are different...DUCT TAPE TIME

[Carves]

Some of the fellas over here have used the LHD radiator ... just a matter of running some tranny hose extensions with hose clamps.

I bypassed the whole schemozzle ... and just run lines from the tranny to a big, proper cooler, in front of the rad ... and back again.

[cantab27]

thats kinda the plan.......

[cantab27]

all plumbed up ...tensioner pulley can you swap out the bearing or is it one piece...well i broke mine trying and it looks like its molded around bearing....another wee set back..may take a couple of days to find another.....

[Mudderoy]

all plumbed up ...tensioner pulley can you swap out the bearing or is it one piece...well i broke mine trying and it looks like its molded around bearing....another wee set back..may take a couple of days to find another.....

Getting close! I bet you can hear the river calling! :popcorn:

[cantab27]

ordered a new pulley..stole one from me mates work shop for time being..have a steel one coming , can replace bearings in them....worked 8 hours today and its Saturday ..mumble mumble... now i'm going to throw some oils in the old girl and fire her up for the first time in about 2 months.....shes green , she will purrrrrrr...even without the pussy...

[cantab27]

she started first pop..... run ok but a few of the pulleys sound sad and dry....so more like a cut cat that a purry pussy...axle seals tomorrow...bonus is that there are no leaks...

[4.3LXJ]

she started first pop..... run ok but a few of the pulleys sound sad and dry....so more like a cut cat that a purry pussy...axle seals tomorrow...bonus is that there are no leaks...

Yours must be a boy cat then :rolleyes:

[cantab27]

for those who what a linky to how to do d30 axle seals ...here ya go

http://jeep-xj.info/HowtoD30AxlesSeals.htm

[cantab27]

just picked up a ac pump from jy....$180...:mad: the wee swim and freshen up is beginning to add up...just over a 1000 ....glad her indoors don't read this..:rolleye0012:

seals tomorrow , will put pump in later today....
shes running nice now............................:drinking:

[cantab27]

seals in , pretty easy job,, ac pump in, 3rd one ,gotta learnn how to swap out the bearings....new oils in diffs ..um had to kinda scrape the shit outta the front one...have pics but um yeah new phone so yall have to wait...throw the brakes back on , seats in ,,all the lights grill and shit and test drive.......

[cantab27]

wee side note...that gas lets go when ya undo that bolt on back of ac pump....my bad..

the jeep shall be driven today..........................................

[4.3LXJ]

Wayne

The gas had oil in it right? Ya need to replace that. Then have it pumped down before charging.

[cantab27]

SHE LIVES..............................
just drove the thing ,,felt good to be home...lol

[cantab27]

front o2 sensor seems sad ..what do they do exactly....i turn on my ignition and there is a high pitch noise under hood,,, coming from black box by air intake...sure its o2 as wires look sad ....thoughts........

[4.3LXJ]

front o2 sensor seems sad ..what do they do exactly....i turn on my ignition and there is a high pitch noise under hood,,, coming from black box by air intake...sure its o2 as wires look sad ....thoughts........

O2 sensor is on the exhaust pipe. Are you talking about the MAP sensor?

[cantab27]

yep o2 on front exhaust ..rears gone as have no cat,,

[Mudderoy]

The MAP sensor would make since. It uses engine vacuum. The O2 sensor wouldn't make a noise unless it was an exhaust leak. And I think that would sound much different than a squealing noise.

The O2 sensor reads how much fuel is being burned by sampling the exhaust gasses, then the computer adjusts how much fuel is being squirted to the injectors.

[cantab27]

shall check today....reason i think its 02 as when cat came of same noise until rear sensor was sorted...might be a shop job, BUT i hate taking it to the shop....will sort it

[cantab27]

pics sorted so here ya go ladies:D

35 taking a pee

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild004.jpg

front diff...:rolleye0012:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild006.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild005.jpg

getting ready to do seals...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild002.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild003.jpg

have more pics but on mates camera of seals going in

couple to prove i did work nights on it:boohoo:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild012.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild011.jpg

this is were my bar is moving...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild009.jpg

was gonna leave it off and sort but will do at a later date..

had this blue stock one ready ,,but na looked gay

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild013.jpg

new filter:shocker:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild010.jpg

found a few twigs and shit under her..no fish but

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild016.jpg

also threw red dust caps out...

and away i goes...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild001.jpg


so until the next swimming lesson ,,keep it green people.....:D

[4.3LXJ]

it is coming together Mate

[bigjim350]

good call on throwing away the red dust boots. Thats why ya jeep broke anyways

[cantab27]

just gave it a bath

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild017.jpg

put the Honda's back on for jimbo's(yours are in the mail mate)

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild018.jpg

mall crawler complete...:D

um yeah cb back in...now yall know why i mounted so high..:rolleye0012:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/rebuild019.jpg


so on channel 19 if yall wanna give me a yell..............:smiley-taunt013:

[bluedragon436]

Looks good Wayne... I can't talk to the truckers with my CB.. so def. don't think it would reach all the way to you.. LOL..

[cantab27]

well drove around in the old girl today and yesterday....trans shifts nice, engine sounds like it should with sick ac pump gone....and best of all no leaks from new seals , rad ,water pump, or red oil drips....love it when a plan comes together...especially when that plan includes me on the spanners..............love it....

[oderdene]

congrats wayne, lets find a river :D

[4.3LXJ]

:toothorn::jumping0041::jumping0041:

[cantab27]

congrats wayne, lets find a river :D

would love too....but wife wont give me the front drive-shaft back until i promise not to take it swimming......:sad0147:

.
.
.
:smiley-laughing021::smiley-laughing021:.

[cantab27]

well that didn't last long.....trans is shifting funny..not slipping but hesitating....taking off its like handbrake is on, then give it a bit of gas and its like something releases and she moves....still rolls forward in drive with no gas as i thought it may be sticky brake ....will have a play tomorrow and see what i come up with....maybe its missing the rivers...

[4.3LXJ]

I think you just need a little river water in that oil to make it work right. :D

[cantab27]

well oil has water in it again...i have missed something..oil cooler was cleaned as was the lines , new converter......wtf

[bigjim350]

How much water in the oil? If its just left over water from the swim, just keep changing it every week or so with cheap oil till its all gone. Check your coolant level just to be safe though.

[cantab27]

How much water in the oil? If its just left over water from the swim, just keep changing it every week or so with cheap oil till its all gone. Check your coolant level just to be safe though.

should be no water ,,everythings new ..give me 5 will post pic of oil

[cantab27]

more dirty looking than anything...not water colour.....

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/oil.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

Did yo have the pan off this one Wayne?

[cantab27]

yes sir....

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/oil001.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

Where id the junk coming from then?

[cantab27]

trying that little box thingy..euc....can cause binding and burn oil...matt put me on to it...

[cantab27]

seems it was dirty connections on the ecu......cleaned them put new oil in and seems OK.....that parts was in the deep end when swimming..

thanks matt, jimbos and steve....

[cantab27]

picked up a spare ecu last night....coolies for me......

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/waterrat002-1.jpg

kinda see how it got wet....why they put them in so low????


could they be moved higher...???

[4.3LXJ]

Cuz XJ stock air intake is below the headlight. It is supposed to hydro lock before that gets wet. :D

[Firemanray]

More lift, bigger tires = deeper water!

[4.3LXJ]

OKr he could have one of these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=_lXV3p_c5PU

[cantab27]

put another ecu in no change...........bit lost with it now...tps?????
still have a faint high pitch nose coming from the computer...
thoughts????

[Firemanray]

Wayne, I hate to be negative but I've never seen any good come out of high pitch noises in electronic equipment, especially something that normally is silent. My experience with electronic devices is that shortly after the high pitch squeal the "magic smoke" comes out and the device is rendered useless.

[cantab27]

Wayne, I hate to be negative but I've never seen any good come out of high pitch noises in electronic equipment, especially something that normally is silent. My experience with electronic devices is that shortly after the high pitch squeal the "magic smoke" comes out and the device is rendered useless.

think the 02 is making the noise in the com....may have to drop trans again...drives good for about 20 mins then starts to play up...no slipping , but shifty up and down at low speeds.......and like a hesitation when you take off......:popcorn:

[4.3LXJ]

Hey mate

I have to agree about funny noises coming out of the TCU. You are not supposed to get those things soaked.

But after thinking about this a minute, I would suggest that your problem may not be mechanical. Does it correspond to when the engine is fully warm? Not sure about the AW$, but some trannies, like mine anyway go into different programing when the coolant temp sensor signals a fully warm engine. You could test this by pulling your tstat an driving it.

[cantab27]

Hey mate

I have to agree about funny noises coming out of the TCU. You are not supposed to get those things soaked.

But after thinking about this a minute, I would suggest that your problem may not be mechanical. Does it correspond to when the engine is fully warm? Not sure about the AW$, but some trannies, like mine anyway go into different programing when the coolant temp sensor signals a fully warm engine. You could test this by pulling your tstat an driving it.

sorry steve pulling the tstat????

[cantab27]

thermostat...???

[4.3LXJ]

Sorry mate, lazy fingers. Pull the thermostat and drive it. If my theory is correct, it won't act up because the engine will never completely warm up. If it does, then I would suggest a problem with things like pressure sensors or something similar. The humming you hear may be the result of a short in the transmission electronics which you will have to find with an ohm meter.

[cantab27]

Sorry mate, lazy fingers. Pull the thermostat and drive it. If my theory is correct, it won't act up because the engine will never completely warm up. If it does, then I would suggest a problem with things like pressure sensors or something similar. The humming you hear may be the result of a short in the transmission electronics which you will have to find with an ohm meter.

thanks mate....will have a shot at that tomorrow....yeah the driving why cool it shifts sweet..kinda makes me think trans is good..but as you say electronic gremlin

[cantab27]

gonna swap over computer thingys to day , see if that does anything...

[cantab27]

well cant find spare computer thingy, so pulled mine out......

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/oil004.jpg

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/oil002.jpg

has cracking in it as in the cover ,,what is that like a resin ??

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/oil003.jpg

gonna clean the connections and see what happens......

[cantab27]

so yeah none of the above helped any.....new com maybe,,,still high pitch sound...

[cantab27]

pulled pan of trans, can someone tell me what those 3 sensor thingys are..

i have to swap the wires to good trans, someone stole others outta the good trans..:out::out:


http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0576.jpg

turning into a bit more than just swapping trans over..:cry:

these three solenoids came out of the wet trans....could have something to do with it...?????

[4.3LXJ]

Wayne, do you know how to check a circuit with an ohm meter?

[cantab27]

can get it done....will get a mate to come around who's got one.....still think i should swap the computer over....tis not sealed now looking at them cracks plus still got the noise

[4.3LXJ]

The reason I ask is that with the plug being accessible like it is, you can quickly check for shorts in all the electronics in about 5 minutes or less. If you find one, then a good wiring diagram will tell you what it is. If you were near here, I could do it for you in a jiffy.

[cantab27]

coolies steve ..only takes about 5 mins to pull apart...

[4.3LXJ]

Hey Mate, let me know how it goes, or I can help with advice.

[cantab27]

well cause its Monday and raining i didn't go to the office today....went to my mates shop instead;)

swapped bits over ,com,nothing , tried another ecu nothing..and for the hell of it the tps...RESULT :crazy:....... runs strong ..only thing now is it has a slight flat spot now and again on take off...me thinks time for new plugs , dizzy ,fuel filter and plugs,.. plus throw some injector cleaner through it....was happy, so did skids all the way home.....................................:D:D:D

[4.3LXJ]

Outstanding Wayne A true green Jeep

[cantab27]

more treats for the old girl.....

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/oil008.jpg

[cantab27]

The reason I ask is that with the plug being accessible like it is, you can quickly check for shorts in all the electronics in about 5 minutes or less. If you find one, then a good wiring diagram will tell you what it is. If you were near here, I could do it for you in a jiffy.

well might be back to this again........

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/oil009.jpg

has a like miss feel to it at this speed, almost like starving of gas of spark...still something still not quite right........doing my head in....

new plugs , dizzy, fuel filter....

scratched some green paint away ,cant see any red so yeah..:banghead::banghead:

[cantab27]

plus did 66ks at that speed all one long road and chewed through a quarter tank of gas....

[4.3LXJ]

Did you change that O2 sensor Wayne? Sounds like it might be too rich.

[cantab27]

yeah may try that...$150 new.....still think that's whats making the noise from com...did the same when first took the cat out....

[4.3LXJ]

Throwing any codes?

[cantab27]

cant get codes up ..can on mates 97 but not on mine...02 wouldnt give it the flat spot ??

[4.3LXJ]

It can, among other things. Those sensors don't like water. If ya got some in there when you went swimming last, then you probably toasted it. A detachable snorkel tail pipe may be in order. Like our military rigs had. The Mighty Mite has a three bolt flange to bolt one on the end of the pipe.

[cantab27]

well when she was fired up after the swim , half the river came outta the exhaust...

will see if i can run one before i buy one......

[cantab27]

well the plan is to park next to this beast next Saturday and start swapping bits until it stops the hesitation......

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/Image0408.jpg

there is a river run tomorrow ,same river as to where i parked it in the puddle..this could solve everything...just make sure its real deep and cant be seen, drop it in and leave it there......

[4.3LXJ]

It is a breach of our code of ethics to turn a perfectly good XJ into a boat anchor

[dagr8tim]

It is a breach of our code of ethics to turn a perfectly good XJ into a boat anchor

Yeah, that's what ZJ's are for.

[cantab27]

Yeah, that's what ZJ's are for.

and red xj..........:D

[4.3LXJ]

Watch it now, the wife likes red ones. The last one she had was "Rockin Rose"

[cantab27]

well its definitely not the trans...... has a misfire at 100ks ..not under load but when cruising at speed limit on open road...also slow take off then kinda launchers forward...

still chewing gas ..66 ks quarter of a tank open road running....

o2???

[4.3LXJ]

Gotta be the O2 sensor Wayne. I think you are getting the miss because it is too rich, like having the choke all the way closed on a carb. I know they are not cheap, but they are really the heart of the fuel injection system, and they can wear out and do not like water.

Your ECM was not under water too was it?

[cantab27]

Gotta be the O2 sensor Wayne. I think you are getting the miss because it is too rich, like having the choke all the way closed on a carb. I know they are not cheap, but they are really the heart of the fuel injection system, and they can wear out and do not like water.

Your ECM was not under water too was it?

everything was under water...;)..have swapped over EMC no change ..but both still set off that high pitch nose..be it very faint but...

think ya right about the 02 mate........have to wait a week before i can try one......

[4.3LXJ]

Yeah, probably the most neglected part on anyone's Jeep.

[cj4a nz]

not a boat anchor,an obstical for the jet boats

[cantab27]

has a backfire as well.... wasn't sure the other day ,kinda loud in the cab...thought i posted this bit of info,,seems i didnt.......

[4.3LXJ]

Must not be sparking sometimes. Have ya worked on the dizzy yet?

[cantab27]

Must not be sparking sometimes. Have ya worked on the dizzy yet?

new cap ,,new plugs , new fuel filter...starts first pop,,,shuts down sweet as,,,ideal up and down now but not staling out,,have a different tps in it,,,,

[cantab27]

new cap ,,new plugs , new fuel filter...starts first pop,,,shuts down sweet as,,,ideal up and down now but not staling out,,have a different tps in it,,,,

timing??? but don't know how that could get thrown out,,,did a search on cf and a lot still refer to the o2....... same symptoms

[cantab27]

again with the rain so of to mate 4wd shop.... much coolies that he has xj or two i can try different things before i order new bits plus i get at cost...that brings me much happiness...

so have a different o2 in at the mo...and seems ok on drive home,, back fire and run like shit on the way over.... nice on the way home so fingers crossed....old 02...


http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/cantab27/jeepin%20and%20bits/fish012.jpg

should not be able to see the wires me thinks..........

stay tuned...

[4.3LXJ]

Can't go wrong changing them once in awhile. The most neglected maintenance on any Jeep.

[cantab27]

on a side note, i have turn the ignition on on 3 different jeeps now and all make that high pitch noise from the computer.....

[4.3LXJ]

If the O2 sensor does it, then all is good.

[cantab27]

still not 100% ......is a improvement but still not quite there....... seems to lack top end speed....will have to take it for a decent run....may well start new thread with symptoms and what has been done, changed and tried...someone may chime in on something we have over looked.....
water in the gas ???have run it near dry a few times and filled it up ...still a maybe???

[cantab27]

well shes running at 100 percent .........kick downs all good , can smoke up the 33s again...
trans shifting nice and smooth.......might keep it..............................................no t