Sliders/Rock Rails

[Mudderoy]

Two of the items I have been wanting to get solved or done prior to taking "beautiful" back out on the trails was fix the running hot on the highway problem, which is 95% done (at least well enough to take her out on the highway) and a nice set of sliders.

As you may recall I took some rocker damage on an outing to Creekside Edge and was trying to use a tree stump as a pivot. Actually I wasn't but the water and mud slide me over further than I thought.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DN8QcdRsOI4/TGA9TuQd7fI/AAAAAAAAAYk/_YvimEJTSJQ/s1024/2010-08-09%25252012.35.50.jpg

Actually I was very lucky that it only bend this small area, and I'll be fixing it soon and covering it with diamond plate still this just underscored that even in situations that you "think" you don't need rocker protection, well you do.

My original plan was to get some DETOURS slyders with frame stiffeners. In a couple of e-mails back and forth with Mark he is being slammed with work right now so he said it would be some time before he could take on a custom project. Since I was looking at sliders/rock rails with door protection he suggested that I get a pair of frame stiffeners and then get the sliders that fit my "design" needs.

So I've been looking around. I think I'll be ordering some sliders in the next 30 days. I thought I'd get your help in finding the best sliders, and perhaps looking out for things I'm not considering. For example...

I have really liked the look of the Olympic sliders, that actually wrap up the side next to the rocker, and have just enough room so you can open the doors. In looking at wall thickness of these 1.5" tubes I have come to the conclusion that this are basically nerf bars, and would probably bend easily.

http://xjtalk.com/images/special/sliders.jpg

So far JCR is on the top of my list.

http://www.jcroffroad.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/stg3XJSliders1.jpg

They use .188 wall thickness, which if I am reading it correctly is the box tubing thickness.

Another popular choice would be the AJ's offroad Armor...

http://www.ajsoffroadarmor.com/images/D/IMG_6139.jpg

.175 thick.

I'll also need to decide on what frame stiffeners I want, at least to know the thickness so I can have the rails/sliders made correctly. I will either order and install the stiffeners, or just put in a spacer plate until I get them. That way I can have the projection of the sliders NOW.

What I don't understand is how long arms make a difference to how the sliders are built. I'm about 99% certain I'll be going with Ironman Andy's I don't think his cross member would interfere with the sliders, or the frame stiffener. I have been looking at the TNT stiffener.

[LizardRunner]

Long arms mount to the frame further back than the stock LCA's, meaning they will be mounting at about the same spot that the front legs of most sliders. That is, the long arms (kits I've been looking at; Claytons etc.) all mount to the frame at the spot the tranny cross member attaches to. This is also about the spot that most sliders front frame mounts attach so you would have some interference unless you go with something that states it is long arm compatable. I personally like the JCR sliders, they are tough and several guys here have recomended them to me. One option for you would be to mock up all the parts you plan on adding then take the measurements for slider attachment positions. I too like the TNT frame stiffners.

[Mudderoy]

Long arms mount to the frame further back than the stock LCA's, meaning they will be mounting at about the same spot that the front legs of most sliders. I personally like the JCR sliders. One option for you would be to mock up all the parts you plan on adding then take the measurements for slider attachment positions. I too like the TNT frame stiffners.

Well I think that with Ironman's long arm kit...

http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/images/STD-COV-F.JPG

http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/images/STD-LAK-F.jpg

This wouldn't be an issue since this replaces the stock cross member.

I'll check with Andy, but I think my assumption is correct.

[LizardRunner]

I agree, Andy's unit is about the same, mounting wise as the Clayton cross member.

[KH96XJ]

Have you looked at B.C.C. sliders? http://www.brookscustomconcepts.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=9&zenid=1cghvgstailqmvp7hg2sio91t0

[Mudderoy]

Have you looked at B.C.C. sliders? http://www.brookscustomconcepts.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=9&zenid=1cghvgstailqmvp7hg2sio91t0

No! Thanks!

http://www.brookscustomconcepts.com/cart/images/XJ_RockRail.JPG

Two things I don't like about them is they open tube end and no braces between the door protection and the slider.

the $125 looks great though!

[KH96XJ]

They should be more specific with their photos. The one pictured is actually $195. The outside tubing is an additional $70. You can get the supports for an additional $25. The upside is the company is located in Tyler. I will probably be going with them when I get some.

[Mudderoy]

They should be more specific with their photos. The one pictured is actually $195. The outside tubing is an additional $70. You can get the supports for an additional $25. The upside is the company is located in Tyler. I will probably be going with them when I get some.

I may have needed to spend more time reading the information. ;)

[4.3LXJ]

Tony, it depends on how many frame mounting points there are. Most have two. Some have three. As long as that third one does not mount in the same area that the cross member bolts to, you will be fine. Most do not, but further back.

[KH96XJ]

This should be the $125 version
http://www.brookscustomconcepts.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=676&g2_imageViewsIndex=3

[Mudderoy]

This should be the $125 version
http://www.brookscustomconcepts.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=676&g2_imageViewsIndex=3

Looks like he's bolting to the rocker instead of the pinch seam.

[saar]

Do you drill in the chassis in order to install that?

[4.3LXJ]

Saar

Most rock sliders are attached by self tapping bolts into the frame and screws through the pinch seam under the rocker panel. Unless welded of course.

[KH96XJ]

Looks like he's bolting to the rocker instead of the pinch seam.

I went and checked their ebay store. You can get pinch seam mounts added. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-Cherokee-XJ-1984-01-ROCK-RAIL-ROCKER-GUARD-SLIDERs-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bc8fa82cQQitemZ11053 7713708QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

[OrangeXJ]

These are mine. I just don't know who made them. I have knocked the snot out of them with no damage to the jeep or slider. They may Warn all the other steel parts on the Jeep are.

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m470/GregKnowles/Picture076.jpg


How they mount


http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m470/GregKnowles/Picture074-1.jpg


One more shot


http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m470/GregKnowles/Picture072.jpg

[Mudderoy]

These are mine. I just don't know who made them. I have knocked the snot out of them with no damage to the jeep or slider. They may Warn all the other steel parts on the Jeep are.

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m470/GregKnowles/Picture076.jpg

Yeah this is what I was looking for. Olympic is the only ones that I have found that wrap up like this, but I don't think these are Olympic.

[KH96XJ]

They look like ones I have seen for toyota pickups. Will have to see if I can find them again.

[KH96XJ]

These are a little different, but still wrap up. Forget what forum I saw them on but they modified them to fit his XJ. http://www.trail-gear.com/rock-sliders http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Trail-Gear-Rock-Sliders-58-Toyota-Shortbed-4Runner-/110644862987?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c2f2a00b Since you have to weld the legs on you can rotate the side up higher

[Mudderoy]

It looks like OrangeXJ may be Custom4x4 Fab sliders...

Double-tube XJ rocker guards

For more serious rocker protection, check out our double-tube guards. These are built from 1.5" OD .140" wall steel tubing and mount to your XJ just like our square rocker guards do. Again, all pieces are black powder coated. Drilling is required for installation.

http://custom4x4fabrication.com/roundnerf3t.jpg http://www.jeepin.com/images/features/c4x4_xj_rockers/nerfbar_03.jpg http://www.jeepin.com/images/features/c4x4_xj_rockers/nerfbar_11.jpg

:link: (http://custom4x4fabrication.com/armor.html)

Now I'm wondering if these are too wide to be used with bushwackers...

[saar]

4.3LXJ,
I have the same type of connection as the orangeXJ.
I prefer that than drilling in the chassis.
Why drilling if it can be connected like that?
Saar.

[4.3LXJ]

4.3LXJ,
I have the same type of connection as the orangeXJ.
I prefer that than drilling in the chassis.
Why drilling if it can be connected like that?
Saar.

It just depends on who makes them and intended purpose. For instance, Detours, a vendor on this web site has rock sliders that are designed to stiffen the frame too. It just depends on who makes them.

[Mudderoy]

It just depends on who makes them and intended purpose. For instance, Detours, a vendor on this web site has rock sliders that are designed to stiffen the frame too. It just depends on who makes them.

Mark "Detours" has 3 types. stiffeners only, then stiffeners with slyders that are bolt on and stiffeners, slyders, that bolt on with plug welds.

[JENSSEN]

On the big XJ I removed the rockers completely and replaced it with some thick wall rectangle tubing. Not only did it help with ground clearance, but it adds to the rigidity of the chassis and acts like a bit of a mud flap LOL! I have landed full weight at speed on these and they haven't moved yet. They are now tied to the Uni-body rail and the cage.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/RACE4THECURE/01d92939.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/RACE4THECURE/32264ebf.jpg

[4.3LXJ]

Jensen, I love that pic of your shop floor. Looks like mine when in the middle of a project. :D

[jccatt]

You need bolt through with stiffners. Mine have moved up with use.

[jeepxj95]

what about the rustys slyders? i was looking around earlier and seen them. take a look i want to know what u guys think

[bluedragon436]

Yeah I have been thinking of picking up the JCR sliders for a while.. I also like the T&T customs sliders.. but they are a bit more expensive.. I wish I knew how to do fabrication and welding.. I'd work on building my own sliders.. maybe one day.. until then I'll have to caugh up some money to pick up some from JCR or other such shops..

[Mudderoy]

Our Double tube sliders should work with your flares. I don't know about the frame stiffeners.
Please let us know if we can help.

Thank you,
Mike
Custom 4x4 Fabrication

[JeepinOutfitters]

Unless they've changed the design, the Custom4x4Fabrication double-tube rockers won't fit with Bushwackers without trimming the flares. We used to sell a ton of those things, but now everyone pretty much goes with the "supernerf" style, like the SuperRails from AJ.

If you're looking at doing frame stiffeners at the same time, AJs rails can be ordered with the legs shortened 3/16" to fit with T&T-style stiffeners.

Sending you a PM regarding long-arms.

[Metlic53]

It looks like OrangeXJ may be Custom4x4 Fab sliders...

Double-tube XJ rocker guards

For more serious rocker protection, check out our double-tube guards. These are built from 1.5" OD .140" wall steel tubing and mount to your XJ just like our square rocker guards do. Again, all pieces are black powder coated. Drilling is required for installation.

http://custom4x4fabrication.com/roundnerf3t.jpg http://www.jeepin.com/images/features/c4x4_xj_rockers/nerfbar_03.jpg http://www.jeepin.com/images/features/c4x4_xj_rockers/nerfbar_11.jpg

:link: (http://custom4x4fabrication.com/armor.html)

Now I'm wondering if these are too wide to be used with bushwackers...


i have stage 3 jcr sliders and they work good with my bushwhackers

[Mudderoy]

Unless they've changed the design, the Custom4x4Fabrication double-tube rockers won't fit with Bushwackers without trimming the flares. We used to sell a ton of those things, but now everyone pretty much goes with the "supernerf" style, like the SuperRails from AJ.

If you're looking at doing frame stiffeners at the same time, AJs rails can be ordered with the legs shortened 3/16" to fit with T&T-style stiffeners.

Sending you a PM regarding long-arms.

Thanks, got it and responded. Hey but I got an e-mail from "Mike" saying they would fit! :rotfl2: And I like AJ's but there seem to be very few that are "wrap" around like the C4x4 and the Olympic. Of course this is where the bushwacker issue may come from.

[dagr8tim]

I've got a set of AJ's and I think they are basically the same as the JCR's stage 3's.

I really want to gut my rocks and throw some 2x3 square tubing in there.

[Mudderoy]

I've got a set of AJ's and I think they are basically the same as the JCR's stage 3's.

I really want to gut my rocks and throw some 2x3 square tubing in there.

I think that's what Mark, DETOURS, is about to do.

[Firemanray]

Have you got the sliders on yet? You need to come wheel with us at creekside and try them out!

[Mudderoy]

Have you got the sliders on yet? You need to come wheel with us at creekside and try them out!

I only have the ON order. :rolleye0018:

[Firemanray]

I only have the ON order. :rolleye0018:

Tell'em to hurry up!!:D

[DETOURS]

Detours dosent feature a drive thru window......;)

[Mudderoy]

Detours dosent feature a drive thru window......;)

Couldn't get to it if ya did because of all the wood! :D

[Mudderoy]

Update!

http://xjtalk.com/images/special/CT005.JPG

http://xjtalk.com/images/special/CT008.JPG

Thanks to DETOURS for the pictures!

[DETOURS]

Yup...........Looks like they're ready to launch! lol.......

[Mudderoy]

Yup...........Looks like they're ready to launch! lol.......

I am really surprised how wide the rectangular tubes are. From the pictures on your site (that I have been studying for literally years) I really thought they were maybe half that wide. The entire structure is massive!

[DETOURS]

Yes they are......
When I do 'my' rocker slyders, I think I'll do the round tube as well, but I'll 'start' mine 3/4's of the way into the front door.......Already running the stiffeners so, should be good!

[Mudderoy]

Yes they are......
When I do 'my' rocker slyders, I think I'll do the round tube as well, but I'll 'start' mine 3/4's of the way into the front door.......Already running the stiffeners so, should be good!

Why 3/4?

[DETOURS]

Dare to be different. ;)
Almost tried talking 'you' into the concept.......but I knew better...:rolleye0012:

[dagr8tim]

Looks awesome. I think they are nicer than my AJ's.

[Relgel]

QrangeXj- has anyone identified your sliders yet? They look pretty well supported to the body.
Jim aka relgel

[bluedragon436]

QrangeXj- has anyone identified your sliders yet? They look pretty well supported to the body.
Jim aka relgel

It looks like OrangeXJ may be Custom4x4 Fab sliders...

Double-tube XJ rocker guards

For more serious rocker protection, check out our double-tube guards. These are built from 1.5" OD .140" wall steel tubing and mount to your XJ just like our square rocker guards do. Again, all pieces are black powder coated. Drilling is required for installation.

http://custom4x4fabrication.com/roundnerf3t.jpg http://www.jeepin.com/images/features/c4x4_xj_rockers/nerfbar_03.jpg http://www.jeepin.com/images/features/c4x4_xj_rockers/nerfbar_11.jpg

:link: (http://custom4x4fabrication.com/armor.html)

Now I'm wondering if these are too wide to be used with bushwackers...