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4x4Dalton
01-06-2011, 02:04 PM
Here is the list I was talking about last night on the Ustream xjtalk Talk Show. Alot of good stuff in this list guys. Enjoy the read,I know I did.


Suspension & Lift:
1. ZJ V8 Upcountry Coils = 1-1.5" lift
2. F-150/Bronco Coils ('70s-ish) = 4-4.5" lift
3. S10 (P/U or Blazer) leaf packs (cut eyes off S10 main and bolt pack under XJ main) = 3-4" lift (may require use of degree shims)
4. Dakota Bastard Pack (do same as with S10 pack) = ~4" lift
5. JK shocks = slight mod to fit 2-4" lift (some dispute)
6. MJ Shackles = 1/2" lift
7. Camaro Spring Isolators = 1.5" lift
8. Full size Blazer Bastard Pack (do same as S10 pack) = 4-4.5" lift (may require use of shims) may be stiffer than S10 leafs
9. ZJ spring isolators = stronger, metal core, can be stacked
10. GM fullsize pickup shackles ('95-99) = 1.5" lift, better shackle angle
11. Thunderbird Front Coils ('83-97) = 3-4" lift (varies in lift and softness by year and trim package), will need top plate from strut too
12. Any 2.5" wide leaf spring can be used between to make a bastard pack (they may differ in stiffness and lift)
13. S10 Shocks (Rear only) = good for the lift you will get when you do a bastard pack
14. TJ Lift Coils (front only) = provide 1" less lift on an XJ than on a TJ

Brakes:
1. WJ brake booster
2. WJ Master Cylinder
3. YJ Brake Lines = 3-4" longer
4. Dodge Ram Van Brake Lines = 10-12" longer (for big lifts)
5. WJ Rotors/Calipers = bigger brakes and more stopping power (will fit 15" rims)
6. ZJ brake booster, master cylinder, proportioning valve = may need for disc conversion
7. XJ '95+ brake booster and master cylinder = dual diaphragm
8. Dakota Rear Softlines ('95-00) = 6" longer
9. GM C/K1500 Front Softlines ('90-95) = 6" longer
10. KJ disc brake set-ups can be used for a conversion on your XJ axle

Axles:
1. Ford 8.8 inch ('97+) = need spring & shock mounts (3.55, 3.73, or 4.10, maybe LSD, Disc Brakes)
2. XJ I-4 & some V6 = may have 3.73, 4.10, or 4.56 gears may have vacuum discos
3. XJ C8.25 ('97+) = bolt in and upgrades to 29 spline (strength comparable to D44)
4. XJ D44 = found in some but not all '87-'89 XJ's with Towing Package
5. Lincoln Lockers = welded spider gears, operates like a spool, must be a GOOD welder
6. MJ D44 = need new spring perches and shock mounts
7. XJ D30 = ('95-'99) non-disconnect, larger u-joints, high pinion, bolt in
8. Homebrew posi-locks for '84-90 vacuum disconnect D30s, eliminates vacuum actuation (use search function)

Front End & Steering:
1. ZJ V8 Tierods = beefier & bolt in
2. WJ Knuckles/Tierods/Draglinks = beefier and crossover steering
3. Durango Steering Box = beefier
4. 350 or 351 Power Steering Pump = helps with oversize tires (requires welding)
5. WJ LCA's = more tire clearance (some grinding required)
6. ZJ pitman arm = 1 inch drop over stock
7. WJ rear LCA's = replace XJ front LCA's, 2" longer to accommodate a lift, some grinding required
8. WJ power steering pump (fits '96+, plug return hole, and use XJ pulley)
9. V8 ZJ front sway-bar
10. JK rear UCA = use as XJ LCA, its about 1-2" longer

Engine/Transmission/T-case:
1. Newer XJ intakes (may require some modification)
2. Mustang 5.0 Injectors = near bolt in (have 4 holes instead of 1, more fuel, better spray)
3. ZJ V8 alternator = more power to run accessories (some grinding required) 136A
4. Ford Electric Fan ('90-95 3.8L Taurus, '87-93 5.0L Mustang) = replaces mechanical fan, more cooling (8C607)
5. 2.5L Dakota Alternator = bolt in, upgrades to 117A
6. Dodge Neon Injectors = better throttle response
7. '94+ V6 Dakota AX-15 = bolt in (but must use XJ bellhousing)
8. ZJ and WJ stock tranny coolers with stacked plates (even an upgrade for us with the stock fin style)
9. 5spd crossmembers give 3/4 inch t-case drop on autos with no loss in ground clearance
10. Hoodvents (i.e. Lebaron, Laser, Turbo Thunderbird etc.) = help keep ur 4.0 cool at low speeds
11. You can convert the closed system to open without replacing your radiator by using the fill cap from a 4.7 durango or dakota, cutting it into your upper hose, and replace your bottle with an MJ overflow tank or any that fit. Then cap off or eliminate the T'ed lines in the heater core.
12. Homebrew Slip Yoke Eliminator (use search function)


Body/Interior/Armor:
1. 97+ mirrors are direct bolt in to older XJ's and allow you to fold them in on tight trails.
2. MJ/2 Door XJ Bucket seats = tilt forward, bolt in
3. ZJ gas tank skid = can be modified to fit 97+
4. GM power antennas replace your broken XJ's with little modification
5. XJ '97+ doors onto older cherokees = one piece windows and better mirrors
6. XJ overhead console = most commonly found in '00-01 or higher trim level, provides space for switches etc.
7. '97+ center console = can be made to fit '96 and older, gives you cupholders!
8.'96-00 Ford Explorer hatch shocks = lift your hatch about 3" lower but are beef (ever see one that doesn't work?) need modification for '97+
9. OEM skid plates (Front, Tranny, T-case, gas tank, found on "up-country" package XJ's)
10. OEM swing-out tire carriers, get the bumper with it, found mainly on '84-'90 XJ's

LizardRunner
01-06-2011, 02:09 PM
sweet! and I have three within two miles of my place. come on warm weather I got shopping to do now.

chuck2000xj
01-06-2011, 02:17 PM
Wow!! That is really an awesome list. Helps with ideas/ future mods. Thanks 4x4Dalton

4x4Dalton
01-06-2011, 02:19 PM
No prob. Just glad I can maybe help some other members out.:thumbsup:

steph74
01-06-2011, 03:53 PM
that is a list I have printed and the paper is in the tool box ;)
My biggest problem is to actually find the vehicles lol
Thanks for putting this by writting

cantab27
01-06-2011, 04:29 PM
show off ,,, i can only wish for stuff like that .......good post but

PolarXJ
01-06-2011, 04:35 PM
Subscribed, thanks for posting it.

bluedragon436
02-20-2011, 07:45 PM
To go with #3 in the Engine section in the OP... thought this might be useful for some cross references for finding this upgrade as well:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x57/UrsusMorologus/vdn11361204.jpg

Outlaw
02-20-2011, 08:16 PM
Are there any Bastard Packs good for a 6" lift? Mine has 2" blocks under the leafs right now and the left side has seen better days. I want to get away from blocks if possible, without having to buy new leafs. Im cheap I know :D

bluedragon436
02-21-2011, 12:27 AM
Are there any Bastard Packs good for a 6" lift? Mine has 2" blocks under the leafs right now and the left side has seen better days. I want to get away from blocks if possible, without having to buy new leafs. Im cheap I know :D

I would look into either #4 or 8 above... and then pick up a set of adj. shackles from RC... that would get you to your 6"... without any blocks... and would be quite a bit cheaper than new springs..

eksjay
02-21-2011, 08:00 AM
Great post, thanks...

4x4Dalton
02-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Thats why its here man. Any help these lists can give anyone I'm happy. Trust me I have used them alot myself over the past yr.:thumbsup:

Switch_knuckles
02-21-2011, 11:54 AM
A shopping list!!! YES!!! Come on summer.

XJ Rat
02-21-2011, 12:38 PM
Think it's time for a pull a part run! Thanks for the list.

BigBear
08-13-2011, 02:15 AM
Nice list I saw a couple things I would look for.

4x4Dalton
08-13-2011, 12:35 PM
Nice list I saw a couple things I would look for. Good man thats why its here to help everyone out if they need it. Glad I could help.

bubbacummins
01-07-2012, 12:57 PM
Lookin around and found a console says it'll fit 93-98 xj and it has cupholders. Will this work and what all mods will need to be made to it to install in my 89

bigjim350
01-07-2012, 03:02 PM
Lookin around and found a console says it'll fit 93-98 xj and it has cupholders. Will this work and what all mods will need to be made to it to install in my 89

XJ4IV has a write up on it somewhere here. But yes it will take some mods (Check out XJ Innovations :link: (http://www.xjtalk.com/showthread.php?t=4630))

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cpttuna
01-09-2012, 06:59 PM
I would like to make a comment about junkyard parts. Remember to think about picking up something off an XJ (if the price and opportunity exist),even if you do not need it right then. the next time you go back, it might not be there. Ithought about getting the power window motor out of the driver side of this particular XJ. I did not not do it. the next time I went back, the whole door was gone.

denverd1
03-06-2012, 04:46 PM
Howdy jeepers. Great list, I'll be printing it off to keep with me when I to local yard.

Being a newbie Jeep dude, i was wondering about bastard packs. How to build them specifically, what leafs to use, etc. Particularly, I'd like to stretch mine and since most use leafs up front, I decided it was time to learn about them.

from another forum....
"Opened mine up for the size up from 3/8th (idr what it was) used a dremel and sandpaper tip and it went easy as ****. I also managed 4" of lift without a 90 degree shackle angle. My pack is built from a heavy 3/4 ton and nicer xj pack. Stock xj upper, xj 2nd, 3/4t 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. Rides smooth enough and flexes great. Better than most 4.5" packs I have seen."

grizzlyxj
05-17-2012, 06:53 PM
Doing the F150/S10 springs? What are the draw backs besides rough ride? Has anyone done this and would you do it again?

4.3LXJ
05-17-2012, 09:12 PM
I have done S10 springs. No real drawbacks there unless you put the whole spring in. The F150 though is far too harsh for the light XJ. You would be much better off with the ZJ V8 coils and some spacers.

Dirtoyz
06-24-2012, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the list. I'll have to keep that handy.

Yaman
12-22-2012, 07:28 AM
Lots of options thats great. Is there a how to thread for the 97 console swap into a 92 i have been looking at doing this thanks for any help.

Brasscatz
04-15-2013, 11:08 PM
I was browsing through the list again and looked at the "GM fullsize pickup shackles ('95-99) = 1.5" lift, better shackle angle".

My question is, I can buy shackles for, let's say a '98 chevy c10 for $25... what are the drawbacks if any? That seems a heckuva lot cheaper than buying lift shackles from any other sites. Here's the link to the ones I'm looking at http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_leaf-spring-shackle-kit-dorman--oe-solutions_20519984-p?searchTerm=shackles

SonicCougar99
08-11-2013, 04:25 PM
I have done S10 springs. No real drawbacks there unless you put the whole spring in. The F150 though is far too harsh for the light XJ. You would be much better off with the ZJ V8 coils and some spacers.

How about the T-Bird coil springs? Would they be a better option to partner with the S10 bastard pack instead of the F150 springs?

4.3LXJ
08-11-2013, 06:18 PM
I'm not sure. No experience with them

4x4Dalton
08-12-2013, 06:00 PM
The F150 springs will be a stiff ride as the T-Bird ones will be a much bouncier ride. I've had a few friends try them and that's what they said. They finally stuck with the F150 ones.

bscg2000
08-20-2013, 03:16 PM
Hello everyone. I am new to this forum and have some questions about the 70s bronco/f100/f150 coils. I have a couple 70s fords. Does anyone know if the coils off of a 78 f150 flare side would be a direct fit or would they need to be modified slightly?
Thanks in advance

jimmixj
11-23-2013, 09:09 PM
Cool list...Thanks!

cpttuna
11-24-2013, 06:20 AM
Someone on another site said that neon trun signal switches will work on the XJ. Part #'s are not the same. can anyone verify?

jimmixj
11-26-2013, 07:53 AM
Hey 4x4Dalton, GREAT list!
The tip on the fill neck for closed radiator is great...most of the 80s and a lot of 90s XJs came with the all-metal radiator, readily available in the scrapyard. They are far more durable and resistant to "tank-popping" while wheeling, and they are usually of a higher coolant capacity than the stuff sold new. The biggest problem I've had is that they often don't have the filler neck, (std vs. auto maybe), but you solved that for me. Thanks!

jimmixj
11-26-2013, 08:03 AM
The XJs used a Saginaw (GM) style steering column, with the actual switch mounted inside the jacket under the steering wheel lockplate. To my knowledge they DO NOT interchange with Neon, but they do with a wide variety of GM products. The stalk (or Handle) plugs into the windshield wiper switch and controls the TS switch via a slipper plate. When shopping be aware u will need to know what features you have, (cruise, intermittent wipers, etc.) and there will be some scary-looking disassembly required.

xj-jake
12-05-2013, 04:40 PM
Dodge Neon fuel injector upgrade!!

89xjxs
02-13-2014, 06:38 PM
I would like to add a rear axel to the list. Mopar b body rear 8.75 from 68 and 69 is about an inch wider then a stock xj. The 67's might be right on as far as I can remember. Do some research. They are a sturdy diff. You have to do some welding, but you have to weld all but stock xj rears. Disc brake setups are not expensive. You only have to buy a bracket to mount stock gm parts. I have used these rears in higher horsepower cars without problems for years. I,m putting one in my xj. They are as common to mopar as the 9 in. is to ford. They were used in many cars and trucks from the 60's up. If you want more beef and dont need a 60 you can use a Mopar 9.25. They have a bigger center section like the 60 so that might be a problem for clearance. Posi units are not too expensive (yet). You might be able to shave and skid it (I was never conserned with ground clearance). I had one in a Ramcharger 440 4 speed and on 35's and beat the crap out of and never had a problem. They came in a bunch of cars and trucks from the mid 70's up.

Joliet Johnny
05-26-2014, 04:50 AM
The 97-02 TJ instrument cluster works with the 97+ XJ. Millage lives with cluster.

For the 97+ if you want an overhead console mix a Dodge Caravan's with a 96-98 ZJ
http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=949746&highlight=installing+Zj+overhead+console

JeepZombie
06-02-2014, 03:36 PM
I think we should build upon this list and maybe even make a "shopping list" for members to download! :D

Love the list!

PS: I too would love a conversion howto on a 97+ console massaged into a 96- Jeep. My '93 could use a better console!

bscg2000
06-04-2014, 08:05 PM
I agree with adding on to the list. I am always looking for cheap modifications that can be done

RokHound
09-26-2014, 02:06 PM
does any1 know how much more response the neon fuel injectors give :rolleye0012:? thinking about going with them.

RokHound
09-29-2014, 06:55 AM
well here is a fuel injector u can also use. a dodge caravan 3.0l needs a lil moding done to fit. needs them out of a 92+ the 90 model is a single hole injector but has a piece in the middle that disburse the 1 stream into a wide spra.

XJ Wheeler
09-29-2014, 04:37 PM
From what i gather its not necessarily the added lb/hr but just the smoothness and efficiency of four holes instead of one that makes the system gain power and more economy.

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RokHound
10-06-2014, 02:31 PM
the 3.0L injectors are working out great

bluedragon436
10-06-2014, 07:44 PM
well here is a fuel injector u can also use. a dodge caravan 3.0l needs a lil moding done to fit. needs them out of a 92+ the 90 model is a single hole injector but has a piece in the middle that disburse the 1 stream into a wide spra.
What modifications need to be done to intstall them??

UraXJ28
12-01-2014, 11:40 AM
thanks for this great info!!!!!

prerunner1982
03-22-2016, 11:56 AM
10. JK rear UCA = use as XJ LCA, its about 1-2" longer

This is going to require washers on each end as the joint/bushing on the JK arms aren't as wide as the XJ arms. It is unfortunate that the front JK arms are 3 3/4" longer than the stock XJ arm as they are tubular and the bushings are the right size.

Infidel Edition
05-31-2016, 08:33 PM
This thread seems the best place to pose a question....

I believe I've seen that the front drive line on a 95-96 Grand Cherokee with V8 is a couple inches longer than the stock 91-95 xj.

Can anyone confirm?
And would it otherwise be a bolt on swap?

What about the rear drive line?

4.3LXJ
05-31-2016, 09:18 PM
I believe the ZJ front drivelines are all longer than the XJ, but all I know there

Infidel Edition
05-31-2016, 10:58 PM
I believe the ZJ front drivelines are all longer than the XJ, but all I know there

Do you know if they're bolt on swaps?
Or is there other differences too?

MattybPDX
05-31-2016, 11:13 PM
From what i gather its not necessarily the added lb/hr but just the smoothness and efficiency of four holes instead of one that makes the system gain power and more economy.

Sent via messenger pigeon - i talk, he types.
Many claim a mpg boost but that may be because they are replacing their dirty old injectors.

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4.3LXJ
06-01-2016, 11:48 AM
Do you know if they're bolt on swaps?
Or is there other differences too?

The ends bolt, but as far as I know, they are too long to bolt in an XJ

Infidel Edition
06-01-2016, 10:15 PM
The ends bolt, but as far as I know, they are too long to bolt in an XJ

Really? I always thought bigger lifts required longer drive shafts (eventually).

Plus with a 5" lift and the RC drop brackets .... my axle is pretty much a vertical 5" drop.

Without the drop brackets, the axle would pull back toward the rear by like 1/3" per 1" drop. And the greater the lift, the lesser the angle.

4.3LXJ
06-01-2016, 10:16 PM
All I can say is try it. I run a taller lift than that with stock length

Smlxjne
01-18-2017, 06:13 AM
#7. Axle swap direct bolt in. Are the knuckles, rotors, hubs a straight swap as well? Got a newer axle, hp, non-cad. Didn't come with brake calipers, hubs, rotors. But caliper mount is built into the knuckle while the caliper mount on old axle is a bolt on adaptor. Anyone run into issues?


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WormsJeep
01-18-2017, 09:45 AM
Awesome list. Now for me to get an XJ and then do some shopping.

bluedragon436
01-18-2017, 08:06 PM
#7. Axle swap direct bolt in. Are the knuckles, rotors, hubs a straight swap as well? Got a newer axle, hp, non-cad. Didn't come with brake calipers, hubs, rotors. But caliper mount is built into the knuckle while the caliper mount on old axle is a bolt on adaptor. Anyone run into issues?


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#7 would be a straight bolt in swap... and parts from that axle will work with the newer, HP, Non-CAD, as that is what the #7 axles would be...

bluedragon436
01-18-2017, 08:08 PM
Awesome list. Now for me to get an XJ and then do some shopping.

Eh.. you could always do some JY shopping while still searching for an XJ to build up.. Heck I was JY and classifieds shopping for deals, almost a year before I got my 97... along with all the parts I already had sitting in my garage that were purchased for my 98, prior to having to let it go..

Smlxjne
01-18-2017, 08:13 PM
#7 would be a straight bolt in swap... and parts from that axle will work with the newer, HP, Non-CAD, as that is what the #7 axles would be...



Thanks for the help.


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prerunner1982
12-19-2017, 10:21 AM
JK brake hoses are a bolt in swap. I am not sure front or rear as they were given to me. One set is about the same length as stock front XJ hoses but there is a long set that works well. The ends are at different angles but can work. Running 4.5" RE coils with short arms I had the entire front of the Jeep hoisted in the air with the axle drooping as far as it could and the hoses were not even pulled tight.

These should be easy to come across, either from a local Jeep club member or off road shop. The set I was given only has a couple thousand miles or so on them.

14308

prerunner1982
12-19-2017, 11:30 AM
10. JK rear UCA = use as XJ LCA, its about 1-2" longer


These would work with about 5" lift and adjustable upper control arms. Would need some fender washers as the bushing is not as wide as the factory XJ arm.14309
14310

denverd1
01-25-2018, 02:43 AM
Anyone ever looked at Ram vans for longer drive shafts?

Maybe normal length with a carrier bearing...
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4.3LXJ
01-25-2018, 09:57 AM
Never have. Are there some promising measurements?

denverd1
01-25-2018, 02:57 PM
Never have. Are there some promising measurements?Ram 1500 truck has a 33.5" front. 98 4x4 w 5.2 eng. Thinking I'll stretch the front a couple inches
241LD case

Well damn, my front shaft is 33'ish.

Prolly just hack mine up, sleeve it and weld

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4.3LXJ
01-25-2018, 03:07 PM
Better make sure you have the same U joint size. 1310 for the XJ. I don't know for sure, but the half ton pickups usually have 1330 U joints