Over the edge

[Pookapotamus]

:crazy:I think that's it for me, its happened, I've lost it completely.:crazy:

I am not sure what lead to it, I was shopping at the i-tunes store, listening to music, watching vids on U-tube, kinda day dreaming......

Then a stray particle of energy randomly floating through the universe for billions of eons, passed through my left ear and lodged itself in my brain....

I don't know where it came from, but one thing I do know.....it was evil!

It told me, I was not done, My mission was not complete, Rigor Mortis was just a beginning, the universe was not finished with me yet......

It told me to build...thishttp://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XXJ_zps8d0312cd.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XXJ_zps8d0312cd.jpg.html)

Do I do what the evil energy demands??? Do I give into my destiny??

Seriously this came out of nowhere, just started thinking, "how would I build a 6 wheel drive monster XJ"?
35's, v8, all coil, 3 link front D44, dual 4 linked D44 rears, 8" lift

Basically the 2nd horseman of the apookalypse!

[JENSSEN]

I have a cordless sawzall to get the extra rear section you will need,...

[XJ Wheeler]

Sounds like an awesome project but i beg one question. Why not leave mort alone and build this beast separately? It sounds like you'll be doing all new suspension, axles, engine, trans, and a ton of body work. You could do that to another and still have mort to enjoy whole building this one. Plus all that hard work you've already done stays.

Sent via messenger pigeon - i talk, he types.

[Pookapotamus]

I would definitely keep mort, I don't think this could be anything but a trail/show rig.

Any one want to donate to the "pook is crazy" fund?

[XJ Wheeler]

I would definitely keep mort, I don't think this could be anything but a trail/show rig.

Any one want to donate to the "pook is crazy" fund?

Okay, i gotcha. You just used morts pic as an example. But if its done right i don't see why you couldn't daily it, at least some on those "screw it" days. :p

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[JENSSEN]

To pull this off I would use a 4 door front section and a 2 door rear section and get your stretch with the longer 2 door window frame then blend the two wheel tubs together to get the long wheel well desired

[4.3LXJ]

Well Dana, all I can say is when you get to it I will build the tcase for it. First one for that application built in 1946 :D

[Pookapotamus]

Steve, I was thinking of devising a system where the two rear axels were completely independent from each other, to gain as much flex as possible from each axel.

Jenssen, I was thinking of an MJ front, with 2 door rear, to get the larger doors, then use the rear pillars from a 4 door and cut the arch into the longer doors, makes for an odd shaped door, but would not have to stretch the jeep much if at all. Would also add a frame, and one of the rear axels would have to be able to steer

[OldFaurt]

:crazy:I think that's it for me, its happened, I've lost it completely.:crazy:

I am not sure what lead to it, I was shopping at the i-tunes store, listening to music, watching vids on U-tube, kinda day dreaming......

Then a stray particle of energy randomly floating through the universe for billions of eons, passed through my left ear and lodged itself in my brain....

I don't know where it came from, but one thing I do know.....it was evil!

It told me, I was not done, My mission was not complete, Rigor Mortis was just a beginning, the universe was not finished with me yet......

It told me to build...thishttp://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XXJ_zps8d0312cd.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XXJ_zps8d0312cd.jpg.html)

Do I do what the evil energy demands??? Do I give into my destiny??

Seriously this came out of nowhere, just started thinking, "how would I build a 6 wheel drive monster XJ"?
35's, v8, all coil, 3 link front D44, dual 4 linked D44 rears, 8" lift

Basically the 2nd horseman of the apookalypse!

It can be done, I have daydreamed a bit myself!
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z367/weirdshots/Freak.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/weirdshots/media/Freak.jpg.html)
Of course, I limoed it out a bit too... Ain't Photoshop grand?

[Pookapotamus]

Wish I had photo shop! I was cropping with paint, then stitching back together in inventor.

[autotech98]

I think its an awesome idea !

[OldFaurt]

Wish I had photo shop! I was cropping with paint, then stitching back together in inventor.

Post a normal shot and I will PS it for you!
I do paint jobs too...
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z367/weirdshots/CamoJeepSM.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/weirdshots/media/CamoJeepSM.jpg.html)

[4.3LXJ]

Steve, I was thinking of devising a system where the two rear axels were completely independent from each other, to gain as much flex as possible from each axel.

Yup, and also a tcase where the axles are also shifted independently

[Pookapotamus]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/31/05d6129e70000bbb97f6420a61e6c74a.jpg

Have fun! Maybe see what it would be like with the back more like an avalanche.

[OldFaurt]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/31/05d6129e70000bbb97f6420a61e6c74a.jpg

Have fun! Maybe see what it would be like with the back more like an avalanche.

Mort, the elder!
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z367/weirdshots/MortII.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/weirdshots/media/MortII.jpg.html)

[4.3LXJ]

This is the one I want to build

[4.3LXJ]

a couple more

[Mudderoy]

6911

[OrangeXJ]

This is the one I want to build

The Jeep shop I hang out at has a customer that has several of these along with I've been told about 40 of the 4x4 version (don't know what there called) I have asked about buying one and was told none of his jeep are for sale.

[OldFaurt]

6911

Crawl in from the back or the bottom with drop-down ladder? Looks beautiful!

[Mudderoy]

Crawl in from the back or the bottom with drop-down ladder? Looks beautiful!

I was thinking escape hate from above, popular name, Moon roof. :D

[OldFaurt]

I was thinking escape hate from above, popular name, Moon roof. :D

Cool and a RV ladder in the back? Either way Love all that glass, no blind spots!
I'm old so just diving off... would suck for me.

[4.3LXJ]

The Jeep shop I hang out at has a customer that has several of these along with I've been told about 40 of the 4x4 version (don't know what there called) I have asked about buying one and was told none of his jeep are for sale.

That is interesting. The first pics are of a prototype that only a few were built by Willys to compete with the Dodge Power Wagon after WWII. They never made it to production. The last one, maybe. It is narrower and is a stretched MB. Would like to see that

[Pookapotamus]

Mort, the elder!

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z367/weirdshots/MortII.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/weirdshots/media/MortII.jpg.html)


Sweet! Thanks oldfaurt!

If your up for it I have a few requests, slide the rear tires forward until the front of the front tire is around 6" in front of the rear door seam, basically try and tuck both rear tires under the stock length. I would plan on using the back of a rear door from a 4 door to clear the front, rear tire. Both rear tires would have to be quite close together. Not sure what I would do above the rear tires for glass or chop it off, Tony's all glass version is super awesome!!!!! Can you change the color to a bright metallic blue??

If you can't or just don't have the time it's totally cool, I am planning on making a 3d model of the xj in inventor soon anyway so I can play with ideas and do measurements later on.

Pook

[OldFaurt]

Sweet! Thanks oldfaurt!

If your up for it I have a few requests, slide the rear tires forward until the front of the front tire is around 6" in front of the rear door seam, basically try and tuck both rear tires under the stock length. I would plan on using the back of a rear door from a 4 door to clear the front, rear tire. Both rear tires would have to be quite close together. Not sure what I would do above the rear tires for glass or chop it off, Tony's all glass version is super awesome!!!!! Can you change the color to a bright metallic blue??

If you can't or just don't have the time it's totally cool, I am planning on making a 3d model of the xj in inventor soon anyway so I can play with ideas and do measurements later on.

Pook
Sorry, heavy cold meds... best I can do today!
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z367/weirdshots/FrankenMort.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/weirdshots/media/FrankenMort.jpg.html)
I whacked you stinger from your front bumper... my bad!

[Pookapotamus]

F$&k ya!!!! That's what I'm looking for!!!!

Thanks!!!

[OldFaurt]

F$&k ya!!!! That's what I'm looking for!!!!

Thanks!!!

You know that with that set of tires on the back
it's going to be a stone cold bitch to steer... Right?
Does look awesome though...
You could carry the world on the back of that thing!

[OldFaurt]

F$&k ya!!!! That's what I'm looking for!!!!

Thanks!!!

You are of course, very welcome!
Bringing joy is what makes me happy!

[Pookapotamus]

Ya the rear set would have to steer. Just an idea at the moment, but dam I want to build it!!!

[Pookapotamus]

You are of course, very welcome!

Bringing joy is what makes me happy!


Thank you, it's nice to get this pic, very close to what I see in my mind, probably do a liberty light swap, aluminum front and rear bumpers, not sure on the v8 swap, might do a supercharged stroker instead. So much fun to build!!!!
I think I found a new desktop! I can't stop looking at this!!!!

Anyone want to buy a kidney so I can get started????

[OldFaurt]

Thank you, it's nice to get this pic, very close to what I see in my mind, probably do a liberty light swap, aluminum front and rear bumpers, not sure on the v8 swap, might do a supercharged stroker instead. So much fun to build!!!!
I think I found a new desktop! I can't stop looking at this!!!!

Anyone want to buy a kidney so I can get started????

Um, before you start spending organs.... Where are you going to sit?
That wheel well is... Well, going to be a bit intrusive!
You may want to consider moving them wheels back just a touch!

[Pookapotamus]

If I have to modify the seat? So be it!!! Will have to get the whole thing mocked up to see what really needs to be done. Suspension, and clearances will all need to be worked out, hence the 3d model, thank goodness I'm a 3d designer, I can every thing worked out before I start anything!!!

[Pookapotamus]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XJMaster_zps7beb26ad.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XJMaster_zps7beb26ad.jpg.html)

Well what do you think? looks like an xj to me! Now i can build a 3d model and modify where i see fit!

[4.3LXJ]

Nice job Dana

[Pookapotamus]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg.html)

this is very close to what i am thinking, feed back???

does not add any length, still need to come up with a rear bumper, but im thinking of making the bed into a trunk.

[TallGuyJeep]

Me likee. Would you keep the gas tank in the stock location? Seems to be less room there now. Maybe a fuel cell instead? Looking pretty cool, can't wait to see how it comes along!

[Pookapotamus]

Will have to go with a fuel cell.

[4.3LXJ]

Here ya go Pook. A cool million gets you this, or maybe you can match it with a lot of work in the garage

[abebehrmann]

Possible stupid question: What are the benefits of adding the extra axle back there besides it obviously looking badass?

[4.3LXJ]

Not a stupid question at all. There is a rig called T Rex, a 3/4 ton Dodge pickup converted to 6X6. You can Google it. He has done a very nice job on it and has high articulation at each axle. It does very well in the rocks. The extra axle gives that much much more traction. It would do well in your area with mud too

[Pookapotamus]

Here ya go Pook. A cool million gets you this, or maybe you can match it with a lot of work in the garage


Match it? Nah! Beat it with xj coolness!

[autotech98]

Hell yeah!!

[denverd1]

I saw the black MB on Top Gear. They didn't really put it through its paces, but the damn thing would go anywhere. Had lockers in all 3 axles. and a bluetec diesel under the hood. quite the machine

[NW99XJ]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg.html)

this is very close to what i am thinking, feed back???


I'd say you'd have one of the most uniquely modified Jeeps I have ever seen,
But its probably not going to do so good on an RTI ramp.

[Pookapotamus]

I'd say you'd have one of the most uniquely modified Jeeps I have ever seen,
But its probably not going to do so good on an RTI ramp.

exactly how would you rti it?? if its when the back tire lifts it would kill, if its when the rear front tire lifts, then not so much

[4.3LXJ]

exactly how would you rti it?? if its when the back tire lifts it would kill, if its when the rear front tire lifts, then not so much

It could do pretty well if I could set it up :D

[Mudderoy]

I'd say you'd have one of the most uniquely modified Jeeps I have ever seen,
But its probably not going to do so good on an RTI ramp.

That one wheel is going to rub your a$$

[Carves]

I would definitely keep mort, I don't think this could be anything but a trail/show rig.

Any one want to donate to the "pook is crazy" fund?


I had a mind picture of a Pookapotamus sitting in the snow, on a footpath, holding a tin cup,


... and a cardboard sign, which read "6wd jeep to build"


:D
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[Pookapotamus]

Lol! I'll sit out side the local 4wd parts store!

[autotech98]

I would love to see you build this Dana. I think that is what i love about this forum. There is a spirit of invention and what if that is encouraged by all. Something that i find lacking today. I am lucky enough that my family retained that spirit and passed it on to me and i try to pass that on to my daughters.

[Carves]

This is the one I want to build


tsk tsk ... He wants a station wagon ... not a truck .. :P

something more like this .. :D:D



https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/17/cd/b9/17cdb9d69e137e9c44d6742550b79e0e.jpg


Ohhh and Pook ... just in case its useful to you.

A mob called MDT have been doing 70series tojo 6wd conversions for decades down here.

Might be some ideas you could use ??

http://www.multidrive.com.au/images/gallery/military3.jpg

http://www.thelongpaddock.net/uploads/3/8/3/1/38311263/2508750_orig.jpg

http://www.thelongpaddock.net/uploads/3/8/3/1/38311263/1877470_orig.jpg

http://www.thelongpaddock.net/uploads/3/8/3/1/38311263/7697176_orig.jpg



... or ....

theres a few of these selling at auction at the moment ...

... you could just slap an extended XJ body on the chassis and running gear. :D


http://res0.graysonline.com/handlers/imagehandler.ashx?t=sh&id=3270768&ts=635071181908570000&index=0&s=gl

[denverd1]

Brilliant. Another t case for the rear diffs. Although big rigs use a pass through system, the double case would be the easiest to setup

[TallGuyJeep]

So would it have 2 rear driveshafts?

[denverd1]

In my mind the second case connects the back axle to the middle one. So yes there's 2 rear shafts

[TallGuyJeep]

I see. In my mind i was seeing two full length driveshafts coming from the front, but that didn't seem right.

[denverd1]

That's just what I gather from the pics. Could be wrong of course

[Pookapotamus]

That one wheel is going to rub your a$$


That's one way to clean it!!!

[Pookapotamus]

I would love to see you build this Dana. I think that is what i love about this forum. There is a spirit of invention and what if that is encouraged by all. Something that i find lacking today. I am lucky enough that my family retained that spirit and passed it on to me and i try to pass that on to my daughters.


Thanks!!! I am really going to push to build this, even if it fails, it draws attention to our sport and proves anyone can do anything!

[Pookapotamus]

I see. In my mind i was seeing two full length driveshafts coming from the front, but that didn't seem right.


Very close to what I am thinking, I need to draw it up, but when I do I will post pics!

[Carves]

I see. In my mind i was seeing two full length driveshafts coming from the front, but that didn't seem right.

Thats the way our Perentie 6wd Landrovers work.

... but the landrovers ... and toyotas ... generally have a PTO point to use ... if a winch or overdrive unit hasnt been fitted.

http://www.4wdonline.com/Perentie/PiCs37/6x6props.jpg


Some more driveline/suspension pics/ideas for Pook in this link.

CAUTION ... Its a Landrover Forum .. :P .. :D:D

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/1060201-post1.html

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[TallGuyJeep]

Very close to what I am thinking, I need to draw it up, but when I do I will post pics!

Can't wait, i love pics! I was doing some "research" at work on double driveshafts and found this beauty.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/1e05c386a914e352083f7f9e3da097b4.jpg

This is the same guy that built that crazy dodge t-rex. :) also found his build forum. This thing is pretty sweet. For a wrangler. ;) he did the double driveshaft design, with the one going to the rear having a second cv joint in the middle. This is it mocked up.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/4470f5fcdab29472232924fc0f181f16.jpg
And his build page http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-non-hardcore/1055085-urban-assault-tj-zombie-killer-build.html
Pretty damn cool, can't wait to see your 6x6 xj. :D

[4.3LXJ]

There are a couple of ways you can do this. First is the D20 case. It is also the cheapest. You could use the Bronco case so you don't have to worry about which side the case drops on. You have to combine the D20 case with the front and rear outputs from the D18 case. That gives you individual control over the axles and full low range capability. You have three full length driveshafts. The third to the rear most axle goes to an offset pumpkin with a carrier bearing in the middle that rests on the tube for the axle in front of it.

The other option is to use an Atlas case with a similar approach.

[JENSSEN]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg.html)

this is very close to what i am thinking, feed back???

does not add any length, still need to come up with a rear bumper, but im thinking of making the bed into a trunk.

T-case will basically be above the leading rear axle,... you need more stretch

[Pookapotamus]

T-case will basically be above the leading rear axle,... you need more stretch

Quit harshing my mellow man!

yes the way it sits right now I need another 13.5" in the rear to be able to use a TJ drive shaft. One of my main goals is to not stretch the body, so how do I plan on getting that extra 13.5"??? Portals!!! I saw this on the interwebs therefore it has to be true!!!

honestly no idea, this is still very much a concept, changing drive lines might be able to shorten it, moving the engine forward would help but throw off balance, but there are lots of possibilities and options that I can play with, I am not going to give up on this!

Also I value everyone's comments, even if you think it might be silly it can lead to something important.

Pook

[autotech98]

Im thinkin tracks....lol. Honestly a streched xj would be cool. Start w a four door and add back half of 2 door from right behind pillar should give you enough room