Painful idea

[Tha_Rookie123]

I know this is a painful conversation to have but I'm very curious about what I would need to do and the cost to install 4wd.. I know it won't be pretty but would like to know because I would like to have it installed.

[93xj97347]

Here somebody that's already done it. I don't know on the price though
http://www.xjtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10159

[4.3LXJ]

Price will depend on how you source your parts and how much of the work you do yourself

[prerunner1982]

Given the fact that the 2wd and the 4wd share the same suspension and steering setups, the cost to change from 2wd to 4wd is less than most any other vehicle.

[BlueXJ]

I have done it twice. Both instances I sourced a wrecked 4WD vehicle and bought the entire vehicle. I pulled the parts I needed and a few to keep as spares then sold the rest for scrap. That helps keep costs down.

[Tha_Rookie123]

so if I was to install 4wd and do what you did and find a wrecked 4wd vehicle can it be any vehicle or just another xj?

[bigjim350]

so if I was to install 4wd and do what you did and find a wrecked 4wd vehicle can it be any vehicle or just another xj?

You will want another xj. That way everything you need bolts in. Its a pretty simple swap. Everything bolts in with no fabrication needed. You need front axle, transmission, transfer case, transfer case shifter and linkage, and front and rear driveshafts.

[msmoorenburg]

so if I was to install 4wd and do what you did and find a wrecked 4wd vehicle can it be any vehicle or just another xj?

ok seeing you have a 00 XJ get a tranny from a 99 on up (Jeep made a few changes in that era that make it not compatible "its in the sensors") af far as the rest any jeep from 88 up the parts will "bolt in"

[Tha_Rookie123]

so basically it'll be a pretty big dent in my wallet? hahah

[4.3LXJ]

A pleasant dent :D

[bigjim350]

Just depends on how you get the parts. You should be able to buy a 4x4 xj with a blown motor for bout 500

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[Mudderoy]

so basically it'll be a pretty big dent in my wallet? hahah

I guess if you were to buy the parts separately it could be $1000, but if you were to get a wrecked Jeep, that could be cut in half, or better.

[msmoorenburg]

so basically it'll be a pretty big dent in my wallet? hahah

depends on your definition of a "dent" I converted my last two jeeps for less than the cost of a stock 4x4 of the same year.

[Tha_Rookie123]

ok so one thing im confused on is how the years match up. could my 00 match up with a 94 or 95?? because looking for parts I found a guy selling a transmition and transfer case for around $600. is that reasonable??

[Mudderoy]

ok so one thing im confused on is how the years match up. could my 00 match up with a 94 or 95?? because looking for parts I found a guy selling a transmition and transfer case for around $600. is that reasonable??

I guess it depends on the part of the country you're in but I would think $400 for a AW4 and NP231 transfer case.

[Infidel Edition]

so if I was to install 4wd and do what you did and find a wrecked 4wd vehicle can it be any vehicle or just another xj?

I come across 4x4 XJ's for under $750 all the time on Craig'sList.
Occasionally under $500... with something like a blown head gasket.

But since you won't need that, you can pull the parts you do from the suspension.
Then turn around and sell off the remaining parts for the initial investment.
And maybe even make a few $$ from selling the remaining scrap off.

I was looking at a '94 with a tow package since that should have the Dana 44's. Guy wanted $500 due to the engine issues.
...but in addition to the 44's, I'd also get a replacement for my left rear door that's dented, and potentially other little pieces.
I just don't have the room to deal with it at the moment.

[Infidel Edition]

...also

If you find one, look for a '91+ as the front drive shaft will be balanced. The -'90 shaft can give you a speed wobble if you lock the front axle.

And shoot for one without a vaccume disconnect. PITA

If it has a tow package, it should be the DANA 44 vs. the 33's, which have had issues.

Make sure the axles match (gear wise) or you'll have issues on ice...

[89Laredo]

I was looking at a '94 with a tow package since that should have the Dana 44's.


I do not believe this is correct.



If you find one, look for a '91+ as the front drive shaft will be balanced. The -'90 shaft can give you a speed wobble if you lock the front axle.

Driveshafts on both my 89s were balanced from the factory. I had my old one going 100+ with no vibration.


And shoot for one without a vaccume disconnect. PITA

No need to worry about that since he will be looking for a 98+


If it has a tow package, it should be the DANA 44 vs. the 33's, which have had issues.

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case.


Make sure the axles match (gear wise) or you'll have issues on ice...
Most likely would have a bound up tcase before it ever saw ice.

OP, you want a 98-01 4Wd donor.
Do not go lower than 98, the Trans isn't compatable without work.
Ideal years would be 98-99 since they still had HP front diffs.
Read this:
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1053970

[Infidel Edition]

I stand corrected...:sign0181:

I could have sworn that I saw both~
1 - 'pre 91 needed to get the front drive line balanced before locking the axle
&
2 - that the XJ's with factory tow package's came with 44's.

* the matching gear ratios - point was to make sure they match

[abebehrmann]

I stand corrected...:sign0181:

2 - that the XJ's with factory tow package's came with 44's.



I think only some of the ones with the Tow Package from 87-91 had the Dana 44. I imagine most of these have been snapped up already but you might get lucky.

[abebehrmann]

I think only some of the ones with the Tow Package from 87-91 had the Dana 44. I imagine most of these have been snapped up already but you might get lucky.

Also, it was only in the rear. All 4x4 XJs came with the Dana 30 up front.

[drakan1908]

I thought that only the XJ Waggoneer came with the d44 in the rear

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[XJ Wheeler]

To clear a this up

Only SOME (although it seems like only a couple :rolleyes: ) '87-'89 XJs had a rear Dana 44.



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[abebehrmann]

Goes to show, don't trust everything you read on Wikipedia! Thanks for the correct info

[89Laredo]

1 - 'pre 91 needed to get the front drive line balanced before locking the axle

My 89
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/06/yte3u6eh.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/06/ejajagep.jpg


2 - that the XJ's with factory tow package's came with 44's.
Some of them, and only renix years (87-90) AFAIK.


I imagine most of these have been snapped up already but you might get lucky.
Seems that most of them are gone, when they do come around theyre not cheap. 8.8 is a better option IMO anyway.


Also, it was only in the rear. All 4x4 XJs came with the Dana 30 up front.
This


To clear a this up

Only SOME (although it seems like only a couple :rolleyes: ) '87-'89 XJs had a rear Dana 44.
This too.


I just dont like seeing misinformation spread around, especially when someone might spend a good chunk of their money based on that bad information.

[Brasscatz]

ok so one thing im confused on is how the years match up. could my 00 match up with a 94 or 95?? because looking for parts I found a guy selling a transmition and transfer case for around $600. is that reasonable??


One other thing that might be important though... yours being a 2000, it MAY have more electrical connections, than a 94-95... but I can't remember for sure

[XJ Wheeler]

There was a switch in output shaft spline count in the '91 range somewhere that may come into play with trying to use older parts i know you can't use a newer t-case on an older trans and vice-versa but am not sure on the motor to transmission.

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[89Laredo]

He needs a 98+ Trans, I posted a link.
Oss/ISS is different, Tcu will throw a fit.
Output spline count changed in 91 from 21sp to 23, no change in spline count after that.

[Infidel Edition]

I just dont like seeing misinformation spread around, especially when someone might spend a good chunk of their money based on that bad information.

You've saved my wallet more than once.
I'd like to thank you for catching bad info...
Especially when it comes from me:headbag:

[BlueXJ]

You will want another xj. That way everything you need bolts in. Its a pretty simple swap. Everything bolts in with no fabrication needed. You need front axle, transmission, transfer case, transfer case shifter and linkage, and front and rear driveshafts. a

Exactly, all parts fit without a problem. Everything just nearly bolts in place but you may want to replace things with some new consumables as you go. Bushings and some rusted or coroded bolts should be replaced.

You need to check that the new front axel has the same ratio as the present rear axle does or they will fight each other when 4WD in engaged.

[prcjeep]

depends on your definition of a "dent" I converted my last two jeeps for less than the cost of a stock 4x4 of the same year.

Your welcome, perhaps i should place your account with me on hold too? LOL