Colorado Shooting

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When I first heard about this I thought it might be a conspiracy (I usually don't think this way) given today's political environment. With the administration hiding the facts behind the gun runners to Mexico and the UN wanting to attack our 2nd amendment, the knee jerk reaction is to ban guns. I think this is exactly what the socialist architects in Washington would like to see.

What are your thoughts?

[Mudderoy]

When I first heard about this I thought it might be a conspiracy (I usually don't think this way) given today's political environment. With the administration hiding the facts behind the gun runners to Mexico and the UN wanting to attack our 2nd amendment, the knee jerk reaction is to ban guns. I think this is exactly what the socialist architects in Washington would like to see.

What are your thoughts?

I'd like to know that with all the guns in this country that no one puts a bullet (several actually) in these people committing these horrible acts of domestic terrorism.

The "Left" is trying to say that Rush is responsible for this act of terror because of his complaints that the villain in the new Batman movie is named "Bane", you know pronounced the same way of Romeny's old company Bain capital.

I'd like to know what the conceal and carry laws are in Colorado and specifically in Aurora.

[89Laredo]

When I first heard about this I thought it might be a conspiracy (I usually don't think this way) given today's political environment. With the administration hiding the facts behind the gun runners to Mexico and the UN wanting to attack our 2nd amendment, the knee jerk reaction is to ban guns. I think this is exactly what the socialist architects in Washington would like to see.

What are your thoughts?

Wouldn't be surprised at all.

On more reason for a ccw permit...

[wolfsxj]

I would like to know how many guns smoke grenades and body armor WHERE leagaly bought by him and what he shouldnt have had to start with.

I would bet several things he used that day he had ilegally and there wouldnt have been a GUN LAW that would have kept him from doing what he did.

We Need More Guns leagaly owned and carried by good people and this wouldnt have happened.

[XJ Wheeler]

I would like to know how many guns smoke grenades and body armor WHERE leagaly bought by him and what he shouldnt have had to start with.

I would bet several things he used that day he had ilegally and there wouldnt have been a GUN LAW that would have kept him from doing what he did.

We Need More Guns leagaly owned and carried by good people and this wouldnt have happened.

I'm surprised nobody had a gun and shot back. With over 70 people injured or killed, it seems like someone would've had one.

And he had his apartment rigged to blow with incendiary and chemical explosive.

Also can't believe so many children (as young as 3 months) were in a theater after midnight.

[Firemanray]

Reports are that he bought the guns legaly. It would have been nice if a couple of CHL holders had of "offed" this guy, however, my fear in this situation is that itwas dark, noisey, confusing. I would be concerned that if I drew down on this guy and popped him that possibly, a less trained CHL holder would pop me thinking I was the shooter. I have a CHL and this type scenario has entered my training "play book" in the past. I couldn't make that call unless I was there. I think I would have to try anyway!!

I fear now the gun grabbers will be trying to use this as "ammo", if you will, to crank down the gun laws even further. Canada has tough restrictive gun laws and they had the same senario play out a week or so ago with fewer deaths. Norway also has anti-gun laws, look at the recent masacar they had where 70+ people were brutally hunted down and murdered. My answer, MORE HIGHLEY trained CHL holders with less restrictive "no gun" areas for those people.

I have become complacent about carrying my piece, up until yesterday, I will make sure it stays with me from now on!

[XJ Wheeler]

Reports are that he bought the guns legaly. It would have been nice if a couple of CHL holders had of "offed" this guy, however, my fear in this situation is that itwas dark, noisey, confusing. I would be concerned that if I drew down on this guy and popped him that possibly, a less trained CHL holder would pop me thinking I was the shooter. I have a CHL and this type scenario has entered my training "play book" in the past. I couldn't make that call unless I was there. I think I would have to try anyway!!

I fear now the gun grabbers will be trying to use this as "ammo", if you will, to crank down the gun laws even further. Canada has tough restrictive gun laws and they had the same senario play out a week or so ago with fewer deaths. Norway also has anti-gun laws, look at the recent masacar they had where 70+ people were brutally hunted down and murdered. My answer, MORE HIGHLEY trained CHL holders with less restrictive "no gun" areas for those people.

I have become complacent about carrying my piece, up until yesterday, I will make sure it stays with me from now on!

He was wearing bulletproof pieces so i don't think a normal handgun would've done anything but make you a target.

[Carves]

Reports are that he bought the guns legaly. It would have been nice if a couple of CHL holders had of "offed" this guy, however, my fear in this situation is that itwas dark, noisey, confusing. I would be concerned that if I drew down on this guy and popped him that possibly, a less trained CHL holder would pop me thinking I was the shooter. I have a CHL and this type scenario has entered my training "play book" in the past. I couldn't make that call unless I was there. I think I would have to try anyway!!

I fear now the gun grabbers will be trying to use this as "ammo", if you will, to crank down the gun laws even further. Canada has tough restrictive gun laws and they had the same senario play out a week or so ago with fewer deaths. Norway also has anti-gun laws, look at the recent masacar they had where 70+ people were brutally hunted down and murdered. My answer, MORE HIGHLEY trained CHL holders with less restrictive "no gun" areas for those people.

I have become complacent about carrying my piece, up until yesterday, I will make sure it stays with me from now on!


Thats my thoughts .... and a dark theatre would make for a real confusing, firearm use situation.


X 2 with XJ Wheeler in regards to ... all the younguns being up past their bedtime.


As for the conspiracy theory ...

Welllllllll .... since I know you lot love your conspiracy stories :p .. :D ....

Here's one take on the "peculiar" incident, we had down here, back in 1996.

http://www.whale.to/b/viallspam.html

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spam ... is part of website adress ... not a warning.

[wolfsxj]

He was wearing bulletproof pieces so i don't think a normal handgun would've done anything but make you a target.

I think you are right unless you are a good shot and I always have a 45 so it wouldnt have been much good unless I got a head shot. BUT that is somthing to think about if ever in the same place. Is aim for the head or dont shoot.

[ArmyGuy45]

I'd like to know that with all the guns in this country that no one puts a bullet (several actually) in these people committing these horrible acts of domestic terrorism.

The "Left" is trying to say that Rush is responsible for this act of terror because of his complaints that the villain in the new Batman movie is named "Bane", you know pronounced the same way of Romeny's old company Bain capital.

I'd like to know what the conceal and carry laws are in Colorado and specifically in Aurora.

Aurora if I remember correctly is near Denver which is a Gun free city!

I used to be station in Colorado Springs, Co and I ALWAYS went around Denver since I could never carry there!

[countreeboy_23]

I think you are right unless you are a good shot and I always have a 45 so it wouldnt have been much good unless I got a head shot. BUT that is somthing to think about if ever in the same place. Is aim for the head or dont shoot.

I agree in that situation I don't think I would be shooting to injure the person. If my life was in danger I wouldn't take any chances.

[countreeboy_23]

I got on facebook and saw a post from a guy I went to college with. I reposted it because I totally agree with it.
"So tired of all the talk about guns. If he didn't buy a gun he would of used something else. Also ccw is not the answer. You are not trained for those situations. More innocent people would have been hit in the crossfire. Plus your little pistol isn't taking down someone in full ballistic gear. Crazy people kill people..plain and simple. None of those guns were anything I couldn't buy in an hour at Cabellas. We might as well ban cars because more people die in car accidents then crazy gunman."

[ArmyGuy45]

I got on facebook and saw a post from a guy I went to college with. I reposted it because I totally agree with it.
"So tired of all the talk about guns. If he didn't buy a gun he would of used something else. Also ccw is not the answer. You are not trained for those situations. More innocent people would have been hit in the crossfire. Plus your little pistol isn't taking down someone in full ballistic gear. Crazy people kill people..plain and simple. None of those guns were anything I couldn't buy in an hour at Cabellas. We might as well ban cars because more people die in car accidents then crazy gunman."

Been my argument for the anti-gun people.

[4.3LXJ]

http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html

Now the answer has become clear: Because Aurora, Colorado already has strict gun control laws on the books that make it:

• Illegal to carry a concealed weapon, even if you're a law-abiding citizen.

• Illegal to discharge a firearm in public unless you are a peace officer.

Thus, any person who would have shot James Holmes and stopped the massacre would, themselves, have been arrested as a criminal!

In Aurora, Colorado, it is illegal to stop a massacre

"I cannot help but think, if one person in that audience was carrying a gun with them, that person could have saved lives. Unfortunately - despite what some of the Left have said - this tragedy is an example of the importance of our Second Amendment Rights," reports Ron Meyer at CNS News (http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/auroras-strict-gun-laws-didnt-preve...).

"Crime rates alone of cities such as Chicago and Washington D.C. prove that gun bans only increase crime. The D.C. police response rate is eight minutes; most crimes are done in less than one. Gun bans create a trouble-free world for criminals considering no one can defend themselves."

As a lawful, FBI-background-checked individual with a concealed carry permit, if I had been present in the Aurora, Colorado movie theater during this shooting, I would have been arrested and charged as a felon for discharging my own firearm aimed at James Holmes. It is apparently a "crime" to defend innocent lives, protect children, stop a shooting and end a massacre in Aurora Colorado. It is a crime to protect your own children from violence.

Violent criminals now know to target Aurora, Boulder, Broomfield, Longmont and other "gun ban" cities in Colorado

According to current Colorado law (http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm), it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in all the following cities:

Aurora, Boulder, Broomfield, Colorado Springs, Denver, Englewood, Lakewood, Littleton, Longmont, Northglenn, Pueblo, Thornton, Westminster, Wheat Ridge.

It is illegal to even OWN a large number of firearms in Thornton and Lafayette. In Aurora, it is illegal to carry a firearm in a vehicle! Thus, even driving to a movie theater with a firearm in your own car makes you a criminal.

These laws did not stop James Holmes from driving with a loaded gun in his car, along with explosives that were also found in his car. Once again, this demonstrates that gun control laws only disarm the public while allowing criminals to have "free reign" over a completely helpless public.

Here are some of the other gun control laws that already exist in Aurora: (http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm)

1. "Dangerous weapon" includes firearm
2. Revocation of license for furnishing a firearm to a minor or someone under the influence.
3. Window displays cannot include firearms with barrels less than 12 inches long.
4. Unlawful to carry concealed "dangerous weapon"
5. Unlawful to discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range.
6. Unlawful to possess firearm while under the influence of intoxicant
7. Unlawful to have loaded firearm in motor vehicle.
8. Unlawful for a juvenile to possess a firearm.

By definition criminals do not abide by such laws

Notice, again, that none of these laws stopped James Holmes. By definition criminals do not follow these laws. Thus, the only real impact of gun disarmament of the public is to create yet more victims by making sure the honest, law-abiding citizenry is completely defenseless against criminals.

So this answers my previous question of why nobody shot back. The answer is that all law-abiding citizens left their guns at home in order to "comply" with Aurora gun control laws!

This is precisely what allowed the massacre to produce such a high body count. Had just one person been in that audience with a concealed carry permit and a loaded firearm, they could have shot back and ended the massacre. The number of dead could have been sharply reduced. Lives could have been saved.

"Mass shootings can be stopped. People need to arm themselves with the facts (and with weapons). If one law-abiding person in the theater had been carrying a gun, lives could have been saved," writes Hillary Cherry at CNS News (http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/auroras-strict-gun-laws-didnt-preve...).

And she's right.

Gun disarmament really means gun concentration in the hands of government

A disarmed public is helpless against crazed shooters. But the government wants you to believe that the answer to all this is yet more gun confiscation from law-abiding citizens.

This makes about as much sense as trying to fight a fire by throwing gasoline on it. If the reality is that police can't protect you and that honest, law-abiding citizens are forced to leave all their guns at home, then how are violent criminals (who ignore laws, of course) supposed to be stopped by forcing even more restrictive gun control laws onto the victims themselves?

The Aurora, Colorado shooting victims died in their seats because they could not shoot back. Now, Obama, Bloomberg and others want to actually promote those same victim conditions across the entire nation, practically ensuring more violent crime takes place against a disarmed and helpless public.

Washington D.C., it seems, will not be satisfied until we are all placed in the same seats under which the victims of Aurora, Colorado helplessly died. We are all to be made powerless, defenseless and totally dependent on government employees with guns (i.e. police) instead of having the right to defend our own families against random acts of sudden violence.

Now it all makes sense: Aurora, Denver and Boulder will be the perfect targets for future massacres because violent criminals who want to kill as many people as possible are smart enough to understand their odds are better when nobody can shoot back.

This is why Hitler disarmed the Jews, of course, before sending them to the gas chambers. It's so much easier to load people onto railroad cars at gunpoint if they can't shoot back. Disarmament has always been the aim of every government that sought total power over the People. Historically, this has almost always led to mass murder or genocide at the hands of corrupt, criminal government.

Self defense is a DIVINE right

The right to protect your person, your children and your family is a divine right, granted in alignment with the principles of our Creator. We see self defense reflected throughout nature, from the spines on a cactus plant to the ability of nearly every plant or animal to fight back against predators that would cause it harm.

The United Nations, which is an evil, destructive force of global domination, does not recognize the fundamental human right of self defense. Instead, it pursues a philosophy of a "monopoly of violence" in the hands of world governments.

The United Nations, in other words, is not truly "anti-gun," it simply wants all the guns in the hands of government workers and none of the guns in the hands of the people.

Remember this about gun control: No government seeks to eliminate ALL guns. It only seeks to monopolize the guns in the hands of government and thereby create a so-called "monopoly of violence" to be used against the People.

You don't hear governments, for example, say they're going to disarm all their police, disarm the FBI, disarm the ATF and disarm the military. That would be "disarmament" if really true. No, what they propose is selectively disarming only the public while concentrating the "monopoly of violence" in the hands of the government.

This creates a dangerous imbalance of power, especially given that cities and states are sharply cutting back on law enforcement budgets due to increasing debt. The police simply can't protect private citizens from violence, and the recent shooting in Aurora, Colorado absolutely proves it. Let there be no doubt that dialing 911 and screaming for help does about as much good as crossing your fingers and wishing for a magical genie to appear and take out the bad guy.

But we don't need magical genies to do that job. We already have millions of law-abiding citizens all across the country who responsibly carry concealed weapons, acting as a powerful deterrent to outbreaks of violence. Those citizens pass background checks, they get fingerprinted, they must pass training courses to show competency in handling firearms. But citizens who can stop crime are not welcomed in Aurora, Colorado!

Because stopping a massacre in Aurora is a crime!

Aurora, the city of surrender to violent crime

Aurora, Colorado should rename itself "the city of surrender" to violent crime. Welcome to Aurora! Disarm yourself and prepare to be shot, because even though you're not allowed to protect yourself, our police force is so thin and spread out that we can't protect you either. Good luck!

Mass shootings CAN be stopped. They can be stopped by private citizens working with the same aims as peace officers: to stop the violence immediately, thereby saving lives.

It is astonishing that cities like Aurora, Colorado do not allow citizens to protect themselves against violence. The deaths of those 12 victims rest squarely on the officials of the city of Aurora who deliberately created an environment of total helplessness that directly led to the unnecessary deaths of innocent people, including young women and children.

City and state officials of Colorado are, in my view, negligent in these deaths and should be sued by the families of the survivors for criminalizing self defense. Shame on these officials! Shame of those who demand that we all become victims of violent crime. Shame on those who call for yet more disarmament of the public which will inevitably lead to yet more violent crime that can't be stopped.

Think about these FACTS for a second

• The massacre in Aurora took only two minutes to carry out.
• The average response time of police is, at minimum, six minutes (and getting worse).
• A typical concealed carry holder can draw, aim and shoot back in less than five seconds.
Do the math.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Aurora_concealed_carry_gun_confiscation.htm l#ixzz21TKeZF7U

[OrangeXJ]

I agree 100% /\ /\ /\

[Mudderoy]

He was wearing bulletproof pieces so i don't think a normal handgun would've done anything but make you a target.

you don't think that being hit with a bullet even with body armor on wouldn't hurt? if nothing else it would have made him take a pause while dealing with the pain and confusion, perhaps time enough to save more lives or time for you to realize he had body armor and to aim for the head...

[XJ Wheeler]

you don't think that being hit with a bullet even with body armor on wouldn't hurt? if nothing else it would have made him take a pause while dealing with the pain and confusion, perhaps time enough to save more lives or time for you to realize he had body armor and to aim for the head...

He had a bulletproof helmet on as well. But i guess he might have paused a moment.

[4.3LXJ]

In the legs, and torso and walk up and one up under the chin. End of problem

[cantab27]

well thats what they should do to him now...save all the shit , money, plus the pain for the families as his name gets pulled over the media for the next few years..

[07Negative]

The whole situation is just completely f*ed up. Of all the states I've either lived in or have visited. Colorado and it's citizens have always left a warm spot in my heart.
If you have the money and resources. Try attending one of those training facilities like "Front Sight." Many inexperienced gun owners would change their song about shooting into a frantic crowd thinking they were aiming at the correct gunman. The kid who was shooting was probably not standing still either. You gotta remember what is behind and beyond your intended target when firing. And that your CCW had night sights.
Though I would hope that a CCW holder would have a higher aptitude than a testosterone driven gun carrier. One who knows their firearm the same way they know their skin flute.
Regardless it's a shitty situation and it should not have taken place. I'm hopeful this kid gets what he deserves coming to him.

[Mudderoy]

In the legs, and torso and walk up and one up under the chin. End of problem

Yep I think thats how they took down the bank robber in California, shot him in the feet lower legs.

[Mudderoy]

The whole situation is just completely f*ed up. Of all the states I've either lived in or have visited. Colorado and it's citizens have always left a warm spot in my heart.
If you have the money and resources. Try attending one of those training facilities like "Front Sight." Many inexperienced gun owners would change their song about shooting into a frantic crowd thinking they were aiming at the correct gunman. The kid who was shooting was probably not standing still either. You gotta remember what is behind and beyond your intended target when firing. And that your CCW had night sights.
Though I would hope that a CCW holder would have a higher aptitude than a testosterone driven gun carrier. One who knows their firearm the same way they know their skin flute.
Regardless it's a shitty situation and it should not have taken place. I'm hopeful this kid gets what he deserves coming to him.

It's funny you mention this. It was exactly what I was telling my wife. I told her I would hate to have to shoot in a dark theater full of smoke with the additional pressure of someone firing at me and at the same time worry about where my bullets were going to go, but I also told her that at least I'd have a chance and probably a few more people would have a few more seconds to escape. It would be a very tough decision and a lot of it would be in God's hands.

[ArmyGuy45]

Gun free zone is like fishing in a stocked man made lake. They had no chance at all. The city of Denver is at fault for striping their rights to protect themselves and failing to protect its citizens!

[xj4life2]

I would have at least tried to drop him, 6 rounds center mass would have shook him up enough to get into a position for a kill shot,I agree smoke yelling screaming ect ect would have alot of influence on things but I think after my previous training I might have pulled it off, however we can all speculate and say yup I would have done this but in a real fire fight situation things get real different , real fast. As previously stated also the fact that you become a target and it might irratate him more and more innocents might perish. I think Muddy said it best its all in Gods hands !!

[EekGirl96]

He's just supporting my reasoning behind carrying guns with me(the allowable areas that is)

[ArmyGuy45]

I would have at least tried to drop him, 6 rounds center mass would have shook him up enough to get into a position for a kill shot,I agree smoke yelling screaming ect ect would have alot of influence on things but I think after my previous training I might have pulled it off, however we can all speculate and say yup I would have done this but in a real fire fight situation things get real different , real fast. As previously stated also the fact that you become a target and it might irratate him more and more innocents might perish. I think Muddy said it best its all in Gods hands !!

If 5 or 6 people in that crowd had guns and returned a walled of lead. I dont think he would of gotten back up. Yet those would be hard shots with the mass chaos. They would of had a better chance that just taking cover or running.

[4.3LXJ]

The way to take him would have been from behind as he walked down the isle anyway. And yes, it would have taken a cool individual.